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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Nov 15 4.03pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

What Alf Garnett says to me is that Speight was a typically arrogant media lefty who used his writing to enforce his own views. That is so typical of the deluded pseudo intellectual lefty type who fails to recognise the wider and deeper issues and strokes his own ego by belittling the ignorant for their predictable attitudes.

Yes, people were right to be concerned about immigrants for a number of reasons that are now becoming clear. The institutionalised and wide spread public racism that raised it's head in the face of increasing immigration was predictable in a post empire country and the PC reaction that emerged to counter it was merely a side show to ensure the policy of mass migration could go quietly while the ruling classes rubbed their hands together.

Alf Garnett was a wonderful propaganda piece by a left wing luvvie who helped the people he probably despised the most get richer.

 

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Should "Til Death Us Do Part" be either available as repeats or on DVD? To me, it is an important piece of TV/social history and should be. But very interested to know the thoughts of other HOL'ers.

 


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Quote OldFella at 16 Nov 2015 4.16pm

Should "Til Death Us Do Part" be either available as repeats or on DVD? To me, it is an important piece of TV/social history and should be. But very interested to know the thoughts of other HOL'ers.


Of course, they're superb!

And they are on DVD/YouTube (what's still available. The beeb had a very cavalier attitude towards preserving stuff pre 1970).

It's not repeated very often but I can only guess 'Dave' doesn't judge it worth buying the rights for. There's bundles of what were very popular shows that very rarely get aired again (Off the top George & Mildred, Dear John, Hitchhikers Guide etc)

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Nov 15 5.33pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I remember an episode (Perhaps in the 60s) whereby I was shocked when 'Alf Garnett' gave someone a "V" sign ! Would be considered nothing now !

 

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legaleagle Flag 16 Nov 15 11.26pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 16 Nov 2015 4.03pm

What Alf Garnett says to me is that Speight was a typically arrogant media lefty who used his writing to enforce his own views. That is so typical of the deluded pseudo intellectual lefty type who fails to recognise the wider and deeper issues and strokes his own ego by belittling the ignorant for their predictable attitudes.

Yes, people were right to be concerned about immigrants for a number of reasons that are now becoming clear. The institutionalised and wide spread public racism that raised it's head in the face of increasing immigration was predictable in a post empire country and the PC reaction that emerged to counter it was merely a side show to ensure the policy of mass migration could go quietly while the ruling classes rubbed their hands together.

Alf Garnett was a wonderful propaganda piece by a left wing luvvie who helped the people he probably despised the most get richer.

Interesting that your analysis is revealing as to your own biases,though much of it chides others for supposed bias.

Johnny Speight was actually the son of an East End docker,no "luvvie". Alf Garnett was no "propaganda piece" (other than when filtered through your own biases);there were loads resembling him in those days in the East End;my granddad for one!

As Johnny Speight himself said:“I didn’t invent Alf Garnett, I just grassed him up.”

“I get most of the material for Alf standing around in pubs, all I really am is a recorder”.

Satire being about as traditional a British value (and virtue) as you can get;what was Shakespeare if not a satirist?

RIP Warren.Created one of the great British characters of the post-war era in bringing Johnny Speight's scripts so vividly to life.

Edited by legaleagle (16 Nov 2015 11.28pm)

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 14 Nov 2015 12.57pm

RIP Alf

The PC brigade never quite got it that Johnny Speight was highlighting the ignorance of bigotry so thought the character offensive. The character was a one-off and simply brilliant with subtext that only the terminally stupid couldn't understand.


You are so clever Kermie.


No surprise really Hrolf the amount of TV he watches.

Do you wear fishnets to go with your bitchiness, sweetheart?


Wind yer neck in & get back to Downton Abbey....


Now don't get upset. Your mascara will run.


Typical hypocritical Kermit. Bangs on about LGBT rights on other threads yet throws those slurs at me. Get back to your daytime TV you fool. Or if you have the balls PM me like Jonny Johnson did to you. Although I wont go running to the Mods like you did you pathetic loser

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Hello jim.

Jonny hasn't pm'd me. And I've never ever moaned to a mod. But if you want me to say 'hello' privately...well I'm flattered.

Now I tell you what - I'll stop treating your constant and bitching posts as coming form someone with the personality of a cross between Joan Collins and Julian Clary if you could wind YOUR neck in and use another part of that brain of yours for a change.

Deal?

Also why give it if you can't take it? banter goes two ways you know.

I'll keep this short DEAL. My English friend. I can wait.

he has done you there Kermit !!

 


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Quote wollongongeagle at 15 Nov 2015 9.03pm

"Gandhi! He wouldn''t eat his dinner so what did we do? We gave him India, that's what!

"What about Meier?! Typical Jew. He's even put the country in his wife's name."

"The Welsh are so thick we 'ad to show them how to dig up their own coal. Yer Taffy is basically a two-legged pit pony."

Warren Mitchell and Johnny Speight created the most memorable lines / character in British comedy

Excellent. Reminded me of my grandad. RIP both.

 

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View The Sash's Profile The Sash Flag Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Nov 15 12.41pm Send a Private Message to The Sash Add The Sash as a friend

It looks like I am in a minority of one but I thought both Til Death us Do Part and In Sickness and in Health were f*cking dreadful

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 18 Nov 15 3.35pm

It got a bit tired in the end, but both were satires, with the joke actually being on Alf Garrnet and those who 'were up in arms'. It was a bit disturbing when you met people who thought 'he speaks a lot of sense', because clearly the only person who was making Alf Garrnet's life miserable or worse, was him

Great stuff, ran longer maybe than it needed to and maybe was a bit ahead of its time and maybe sometimes a bit to clever for its own good.

 


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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 18 Nov 15 3.38pm

Quote The Sash at 18 Nov 2015 12.41pm

It looks like I am in a minority of one but I thought both Til Death us Do Part and In Sickness and in Health were f*cking dreadful


Yes, on your own there Sash.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 18 Nov 15 3.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 14 Nov 2015 12.57pm

RIP Alf

The PC brigade never quite got it that Johnny Speight was highlighting the ignorance of bigotry so thought the character offensive. The character was a one-off and simply brilliant with subtext that only the terminally stupid couldn't understand.

Actually the series is regarded as being a model of political correctness in action, albeit first generation political correctness, because it generated controversy in order to stimulate debate and engagement.

Its like the 'Ban Baa Baa Black Sheep' people don't realise that initially the story began with PC social engineering theory about psycholinguistics and constructionism, which eventually was picked up as a story by the usual suspects.

The whole point of things like this, is that they reflect on both sides of the fence (those who are PC to the point of being bigots, and those who defend bigotry).


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Nov 2015 3.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 14 Nov 2015 12.57pm

RIP Alf

The PC brigade never quite got it that Johnny Speight was highlighting the ignorance of bigotry so thought the character offensive. The character was a one-off and simply brilliant with subtext that only the terminally stupid couldn't understand.

Actually the series is regarded as being a model of political correctness in action, albeit first generation political correctness, because it generated controversy in order to stimulate debate and engagement.

Its like the 'Ban Baa Baa Black Sheep' people don't realise that initially the story began with PC social engineering theory about psycholinguistics and constructionism, which eventually was picked up as a story by the usual suspects.

The whole point of things like this, is that they reflect on both sides of the fence (those who are PC to the point of being bigots, and those who defend bigotry).


What you taklin bout Willis?

 

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