To say the war created the circumstances and then say religion was entirely responsible are contradictions.

The Jews historically came from that area...I'm not arguing here about the decision the UN came up with and the British implemented. I'm replying to the assertion that religion is 'entirely responsible'.

I think a better way to phrase it is to say 'group identity'. Religion wasn't and isn't a significant factor for many Jews in moving to Palestine....A real understanding of Judaism understands that it is an extremely broad religion which is practiced in the same way that Buddhism embraces both the religious but also the secular.

You have your religious Jews and you have your secular Jews.....Many of them think they have a right to a life in Israel.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2015 12.27pm)

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Do I need to be sent to the Western Provinces for inculcation and reeducation if I didn't?????? Drat.

I'm sorry but that cannot be true. They moved to that area specifically because of the Biblical story. There are plenty of other places they could have gone.

If the Bible is not a religious book and therefore a religious reason to move to Palestine then I don't know what is.

How many Palestinian Muslims are in the UK? Because I'm not sure how relevant Israel is to this debate. Less so than Saudi Arabia anyway.

If as a Jew, practising or otherwise, you decide to move to Israel there has to be a motive. If you are of sain mind and body you just wouldn't move to somewhere like that unless you were driven by your faith, or your belief that Palestine should not exist.

It's not ex pats moving to Marbella for a bit of sun somewhere where there are other Brits.

This is a war torn part of the world, people constantly die there,, I just cant see as Jew you would move there.

It'd be like chosing to move to the Falls road in NI circa 1980 just for sh1ts and giggles.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

After the war there were a lot of armed jewish partisan and resistance groups comprising of Zionists. These groups specifically had organised and fought against the Nazi, and consequently following the war, many were in a position where they were the only Jewish people in area, and certainly the only organised ones.

Having fought against the Nazis, and being suitably equipped, many then went to what is now Israel with a view to establishing a homeland, using the tactics of guerrilla warfare they'd learned against the Nazis (and often from the Soviets) against the British (quite successfully).

Zionism is an unusual movement as it appeals to both secular and religious jews.

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