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View Seth's Profile Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 08 Dec 15 5.12pm Send a Private Message to Seth Add Seth as a friend

Finland is thinking about trialling a system where they give all their citizens an income of 800 Euros a month and scrapping benefits. This was discussed on Newsnight last night and there are some issues with it, but in essence it sounds like a creative and simpler new way of running a nation's finances.

From Forbes Economics & Finance:

Finally, Someone Does Something Sensible: Finland To Bring In A Universal Basic Income

There’s rather a lot of discussion around these days about the merits of a universal basic income. We have, for example, those who tell us that the robots are about to steal all our jobs and therefore we need to tax the capital owners in order to provide that basic income for all. Well, maybe, but it’s not going to work out that way. However, that universal basic income is still a startlingly good idea simply because it’s better than any of the various welfare systems we have at present. But do note: It works by being universal and basic.

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What do HOLers think?

Edited by Seth (08 Dec 2015 5.15pm)

 


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Could you post a link, sounds interesting but need to understand if it a variation on tax credits. thanks

 


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Sorry seen link, silly me

 


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so as I understand it, everyone over the age of 18 receives a set amount per month.

All other benefits are scrapped.

Therefore the cost of running the benefits and welfare system are dramatically reduced.

 


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Quote Holmesdale Nick at 08 Dec 2015 5.56pm

so as I understand it, everyone over the age of 18 receives a set amount per month.

All other benefits are scrapped.

Therefore the cost of running the benefits and welfare system are dramatically reduced.


I think the cost of the Finland plan is about the same, but much, much simpler and with added benefits such as encouraging people to work or volunteer without the risk of losing benefits.

 


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Quote Holmesdale Nick at 08 Dec 2015 5.56pm

so as I understand it, everyone over the age of 18 receives a set amount per month.

All other benefits are scrapped.

Therefore the cost of running the benefits and welfare system are dramatically reduced.


Yep. Would also be a lot easier to control immigration I would have thought too if recipients had to be legal citizens/residents.

Be interesting to see how it works if Finland implement it.

 

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Quote DanH at 08 Dec 2015 6.31pm

Quote Holmesdale Nick at 08 Dec 2015 5.56pm

so as I understand it, everyone over the age of 18 receives a set amount per month.

All other benefits are scrapped.

Therefore the cost of running the benefits and welfare system are dramatically reduced.


Yep. Would also be a lot easier to control immigration I would have thought too if recipients had to be legal citizens/residents.

Be interesting to see how it works if Finland implement it.


Indeed. I believe some areas of The Netherlands are considering trialling it too, as are other places.

Personally I think it's potentially a very good idea which may spread wider if the trials are successful.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 08 Dec 15 8.33pm

I remember a school boy getting onto Nationwide because he won a competition with the same idea.

That was 40 years ago.

 


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Population of Finland,5.3 million..Population of uk 63.1million.


Theres your answer.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 08 Dec 15 9.04pm

Quote elgrande at 08 Dec 2015 9.00pm

Population of Finland,5.3 million..Population of uk 63.1million.


Theres your answer.


Why?

 


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Quote elgrande at 08 Dec 2015 9.00pm

Population of Finland,5.3 million..Population of uk 63.1million.


Theres your answer.


Why?


Really.....How do we fund giving at least 50 million people £650 each month.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 08 Dec 15 9.10pm

Quote elgrande at 08 Dec 2015 9.06pm

Quote pefwin at 08 Dec 2015 9.04pm

Quote elgrande at 08 Dec 2015 9.00pm

Population of Finland,5.3 million..Population of uk 63.1million.


Theres your answer.


Why?


Really.....How do we fund giving at least 50 million people £650 each month.


From the 50 million.

 


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