I have voted Tory since I could vote,but this buch I despise with a vengeance.

They are everything the left have always called the Tories.
Public school I'm alright jacks.

If the nation votes out, then surely it spells the end for Cameron/Osborne?

Someone like Boris can emerge as Tory leader and take us forward?

In the event of a predicted 'out' vote for Europe, I would normally agree that the Government would become a lame duck.
However, the opposition parties are such a shower of shlt, I can't even see an 'out' vote shifting Cameron et al.

I went to a good school and university which was awash with what "Public school" types. My daughter was educated in a private school.There are "All right jacks" in various facets of life NOT just those who have been educated away from the state sector.

I've been a member of the Conservatives since I was 16, have been on campaign trails, gone to party conference and have obviously always voted Tory. This isn't because I'm in favour of dog-eat-dog and am a racist, heartless b****** as many of us conservatives are portrayed. It's because I believe in conservative values like family, property ownership, decency, sovereignty and defence of the realm.

For the last few months I've been completely and utterly put off this toxic party which I used to support so fervently. The opposition that they have is so weak that they have an opportunity to not sell out their souls and revamp this country and take away dependency on the state.

What I see is nothing of the sort. This government is full of rhetoric and shallow on substance.

I do mortgage advice, and I'm seeing with my own eyes that their over regulation of mortgages and intervention in the market of Buy-to-Let isn't helping first time buyers in the slightest. It sounds good in the Guardian, but like most interventionist policy it doesn't actually work.

Their whole selling point is economic responsibility, and yet the budget deficit is still far, far too high. Far from fixing the roof when the sun is shining, which is what they accused Labour of failing to do, as soon as a positive economic forecast came out (ie in the latest Autumn statement) the Chancellor can go on what can only be called a spending spree. This, coupled with the absolute shambles that was the working tax credit saga, has convinced me that the guy has completely lost the plot. He should be sacked.

And the final straw...

Their "hard line on immigration" is a complete f*cking joke. Conservatives are meant to be against "big ideas" in the state, and free movement of people over borders is absolutely huge. How can they go through this phoney negotiation for EU membership, get NOTHING on immigration and look themselves in the mirror and their membership/country in the eye and say that we should stay? What a disgrace. Cameron has many achievements, but this EU farce will tarnish his reputation. Even if we vote to stay in it will be begrudgingly and IMO will not see the end of resentment towards the EU.

I've gone from not even thinking about who to vote for, to being one more f*ck up away from voting UKIP. F*ck em, if you alienate your core support as much as they are, you'll eventually see them leave for someone else.

They've become the new Blair and Brown, they only ever do things for tactical effect, rather than standing up for what they supposedly believe in.

My question is...

Is this how true Labourites feel about those two? A sense of near shame that they represented them? I'm starting to understand why they voted in Corbyn.

Labour / Conservatives - makes no difference.

Party based dogmatic, ideological, wholly partisan politics is no longer fit for purpose and those who inhabit it, benefit from it or enable it no longer serve the interest of the people it / they purport to represent.

It, along with the entire system it supports is archaic, elitist and need tearing down.

The entire charade is purely there for the corporate interest and to maintain the social status quo and insulate the ruling, corporate, civil, political and judicial elite.