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Hoof Hearted 30 Apr 16 10.29am

Originally posted by lankygit

Would they Hoof? Why do they leave me out of these conversations, I wonder?
I also missed Lincoln being taken over, somehow, too. Don`t fret over it though because nothing changed when it happened. Whenever that was.

Edited by lankygit (29 Apr 2016 6.38pm)

Apologies.... I was certain I remembered both Boston and Lincoln being featured on a documentary about immigration - but I must have got Lincoln's inclusion wrong, or the programme did. I am happy to bow to your local knowledge and retract.

 

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Hoof Hearted 30 Apr 16 10.37am

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Again with respect Hoof, this sounds like the eu vote is only part of your issue. People from pakistan heritage but were born in the Uk are as British as you and I. Terrorists in the UK are more likely to be British born and bred rather than eu migrants. We could be arguing over whether BNP policy is right and that we could go back generations to determine Britishness but that would be for another thread. To me coming out of the eu is almost as absurd as this, and about as rationale as denying women the vote again or abolishing parliament because its not perfect. You just had to drive past a hospital yesterday to realise that politics aint perfect but lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater

I would say that some people with pakistan heritage are as British as they want to be when it suits them and/or it is to their benefit, mainly they keep to themselves and opposed to culturally mixing with the rest of society.

I find the opposite with those of Indian heritage - both Sikhs and Hindu's are keen to participate in local initiatives and other sporting events or celebrations. I like this and they do to.

Your last comment is spot on though.

 

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legaleagle Flag 30 Apr 16 10.51am

The thing is Hoof that the beauty of living in a liberal democracy (for all its many imperfections) is that as a British citizen you can think and do as you like,so long as its within the law.

So,because say some people of pakistani heritage may in your view not want to get as involved say in local sporting events (and most of those I know are well into football),it makes them no less "British" than you or I or any other citizens.Any more than being the only one seemingly on the train from Marylebone to Wembley Stadium last Sunday who had not already had a minimum of at least 10 drinks made me any less of a legitimate Palace supporter

 

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Hoof Hearted 30 Apr 16 10.58am

Originally posted by legaleagle

The thing is Hoof that the beauty of living in a liberal democracy (for all its many imperfections) is that as a British citizen you can think and do as you like,so long as its within the law.

So,because say some people of pakistani heritage may in your view not want to get as involved say in local sporting events (and most of those I know are well into football),it makes them no less "British" than you or I or any other citizens.Any more than being the only one seemingly on the train from Marylebone to Wembley Stadium last Sunday who had not already had a minimum of at least 10 drinks made me any less of a legitimate Palace supporter

Thank you Capt Obvious LOL

I'm not getting into an argument and creating negative vibes on matchday... I'm saving myself for 3pm cheering on the lads away at the toon.

Regards.....

 

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Apparently student apathy could swing vote towards leave because of the tone of the campaigning and the vote is after term finishes and they won't be registered at their parents' homes.

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Hoof Hearted 30 Apr 16 11.06am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Apparently student apathy could swing vote towards leave because of the tone of the campaigning and the vote is after term finishes and they won't be registered at their parents' homes.

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Student apathy?

Surely not!

 

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View johnfirewall's Profile johnfirewall Flag 02 May 16 4.26pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

The Glasgow primary without a signle Scottish pupil, where the head is begging for donations.

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View JohnyBoy's Profile JohnyBoy Flag 02 May 16 8.22pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by johnfirewall

The Glasgow primary without a signle Scottish pupil, where the head is begging for donations.

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Can we see the article for what it is. Reporter from the Daily Mail obviously supporting the out campaign finds a school where the kids are from eu migrant countries including from the roma (traveller or gypsy) community which has further negative connotations. No Scottish (or even british) kids are at the school which as a public service is being funded by you the reader (mainly white British).
Absolute despicable journalism, where kids (who dont speak english yet) are being used to inflame and scare people in much the same way as Goebells did with the jews and indeed roma community, the negative connotation that these were an underclass of people (untermenschen) who posed a threat to the superior Germanic race. My dentist is from Slovakia and i am sure some of these kids parents are also hard working contributors to society. We wouldnt like it if the british communities in Spain and France where the kids all speak English were castigated in such a derogatery way that implied the english were inferior hooligan types who burgle and steal. Lastly the Daily Mail is owned by Lord Rothermere who, despite having the 2nd largest circulation in the uk doesnt pay uk tax (he claims non dom and has his companies set up in tax friendly jurisdictions) but yet still implies in his inflammatory rags that its migrants who are taking advantage of the system.....be careful what you believe

 

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Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Can we see the article for what it is. Reporter from the Daily Mail obviously supporting the out campaign finds a school where the kids are from eu migrant countries including from the roma (traveller or gypsy) community which has further negative connotations. No Scottish (or even british) kids are at the school which as a public service is being funded by you the reader (mainly white British).
Absolute despicable journalism, where kids (who dont speak english yet) are being used to inflame and scare people in much the same way as Goebells did with the jews and indeed roma community, the negative connotation that these were an underclass of people (untermenschen) who posed a threat to the superior Germanic race. My dentist is from Slovakia and i am sure some of these kids parents are also hard working contributors to society. We wouldnt like it if the british communities in Spain and France where the kids all speak English were castigated in such a derogatery way that implied the english were inferior hooligan types who burgle and steal. Lastly the Daily Mail is owned by Lord Rothermere who, despite having the 2nd largest circulation in the uk doesnt pay uk tax (he claims non dom and has his companies set up in tax friendly jurisdictions) but yet still implies in his inflammatory rags that its migrants who are taking advantage of the system.....be careful what you believe

Let me start again then by providing an alternative source and my own take on the figures.

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I'm not concerned with any anecdotes or stereotypes of Slovaks or Roma. The fact remains that they were free to just walk in from the EU and regardless of Slovakia's relative prosperity, unless your dentist is Glaswegian that's still akin to giving a school to a lesser country. The Guardian will no doubt suggest that we could close tax loopholes and afford to look after everyone however a) most would still rather see British causes given priority and b) this is a thread about the EU. Unless providing opportunities and welfare for the union's poorest states is one of your reasons for us to remain in.

Edited by johnfirewall (02 May 2016 9.02pm)

 

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View JohnyBoy's Profile JohnyBoy Flag 02 May 16 9.28pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Let me start again then by providing an alternative source and my own take on the figures.

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I'm not concerned with any anecdotes or stereotypes of Slovaks or Roma. The fact remains that they were free to just walk in from the EU and regardless of Slovakia's relative prosperity, unless your dentist is Glaswegian that's still akin to giving a school to a lesser country. The Guardian will no doubt suggest that we could close tax loopholes and afford to look after everyone however a) most would still rather see British causes given priority and b) this is a thread about the EU. Unless providing opportunities and welfare for the union's poorest states is one of your reasons for us to remain in.

Edited by johnfirewall (02 May 2016 9.02pm)

Actually that is a less inflammatory piece about the same school. When i was growing up many schools in s.e London had very large migrant intakes (indian, pakistani, afro-caribbean. I dont have a problem with it, some of the kids worked hard, some didnt, some became doctors, teachers, builders etc, some didnt...same as any school including predominantly English schools,

 

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Originally posted by johnfirewall

Let me start again then by providing an alternative source and my own take on the figures.

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I'm not concerned with any anecdotes or stereotypes of Slovaks or Roma. The fact remains that they were free to just walk in from the EU and regardless of Slovakia's relative prosperity, unless your dentist is Glaswegian that's still akin to giving a school to a lesser country. The Guardian will no doubt suggest that we could close tax loopholes and afford to look after everyone however a) most would still rather see British causes given priority and b) this is a thread about the EU. Unless providing opportunities and welfare for the union's poorest states is one of your reasons for us to remain in.

Edited by johnfirewall (02 May 2016 9.02pm)

If you stop to think about it for a moment, you say we are giving a school to a lesser country....which in itself is derogatory and negative. So how much does this school cost to run each year, say 500k for a smallish school. Where is the money spent. About 85-90% goes on wages to teaching staff, administrators, pensions, maintenance (plumbers, sparx etc) and 10-15% for the kids (whose parents may well be tax contributors) goes on books, school meals, heating etc, of which they pay probably British tax payers to prepare the school meals. british bookshops etc. All of these teachers, plumbers, sparx dinner ladies pay UK taxes, buy british goods (VAT etc). Who are the winners?...The British....I don't see any benefit directly going back to Slovakia or the Roma (unless the choose to send money home but what responsible adult doesn't want to look after their parents) and we could be educating the next generation of doctors for the NHS who may one day save our lives.
Even in this inflammatory, untypical and clearly biased article I can see clear benefits to the UK economy.

 

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View johnfirewall's Profile johnfirewall Flag 03 May 16 8.53am Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

You're voting 'In' for the benefits of have having as many workers as possible are you?

Edited by johnfirewall (03 May 2016 9.09am)

 

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