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 Stuk  Top half 11 Nov 16 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
No, we do know. They were told this quite clearly when they were having their referendum. Spain wouldn't give a s*** about pressure, they wouldn't even entertain discussion on the issue. Edited by Stuk (11 Nov 2016 2.13pm)
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Exactly, at best they could try and fast track it but would still take years and the reality is you would need the agreement of every nation which will not happen What matters is the motivation to make it work. There was none whilst the UK was still a member - there would be where a nation was being forced to leave against its will. For example if the referendum took place within the two year exit window and Independence won then all that would happen would be that three regions of the UK left and one remained. They wouldn't need to fast track a process where Scotland never left.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
No, we do know. They were told this quite clearly when they were having their referendum. Spain wouldn't give a s*** about pressure, they wouldn't even entertain discussion on the issue. Edited by Stuk (11 Nov 2016 2.13pm)
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| Hoof Hearted 11 Nov 16 2.31pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Don't be silly, the UK voted to leave, but Scotland overwhelming voted to remain. There's no ignoring that fact, and that's largely how the SNP have flourished by exploiting the fact that Scots are largely overlooked by the UK (rightly or wrongly). Its the same rhetoric as UKIP peddle (albeit a more left wing version). Regardless, they're representatives elected by their constituents, to represent their issues, which clearly include not wanting to leave the EU. No.. you and Kermit are being silly. The SNP and Sturgeon are just blatant opportunists, trying to get traction for their own agenda. Remind me where on the voting slip it mentioned anything about the decision to leave being dependent on Scotland voting overwhelmingly for it? As I stated before Scotland represents less than 7% of the UK population.
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| Hoof Hearted 11 Nov 16 2.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Funnily enough the majority chose Clinton - she got more votes - so not democratic at all really. Fvcked up system. He's a tw@t and she's a bunny boiler. Been better if neither of them had got in. Why have you not complained about this system before Kermit? It seemed to work okay up till now, otherwise you would have alerted us all to this "fcuked up system"? Edited by Hoof Hearted (11 Nov 2016 2.38pm)
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Nov 16 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
What matters is the motivation to make it work. There was none whilst the UK was still a member - there would be where a nation was being forced to leave against its will. For example if the referendum took place within the two year exit window and Independence won then all that would happen would be that three regions of the UK left and one remained. They wouldn't need to fast track a process where Scotland never left. The poison dwarf was told as I have said previously that IF the UK leaves then so does Scotland there are no special clauses for Scotland and whether or not Scotland have another referendum, which I doubt very much as again the poison dwarf has been told in no uncertain terms by our prime minister they had their chance and the Scottish people voted to stick with the UK. You cannot keep having votes here there and everywhere just to please the losers. WHEN we leave so does Scotland and the way their finances are at the moment the EU will not take them back as it would be like another Greece in the pack....NO MONEY!
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 11 Nov 16 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Funnily enough the majority chose Clinton - she got more votes - so not democratic at all really. Fvcked up system. He's a tw@t and she's a bunny boiler. Been better if neither of them had got in.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Nov 16 3.04pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Weird logic. Scotland is part of the UK. Would it be OK for California to reject Trump as President because they voted for Clinton. And before you tell me that's different, it really isn't. I would still expect representatives from California to oppose Trump, and push for the interests of those who elected them. The people of Scotland. Now I do agree, that they are bound by the referendum on the EU, but that its a contradictory position compared to the independence referendum. The SNP are representing their constituents, who clearly aren't keen on leaving the EU, but also want to remain in the UK. Realistically, I think that ultimately results in another referendum on Scottish independence. Oddly, I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of the UK political parties at the next general election pursue campaign on a second referendum. For someone like the Greens or Liberal Democrats it could really garner them political capital.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Nov 16 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
It is however rather outdated in terms of Electoral Colleges, given the speed at which the vote of each individual can be counted in the modern age. That said, I do like the fact that Americans at elections get to vote on all kinds of issues, not just their representative. 7 States at the Election voted to legalise Cannabis, two more new states made Medical Weed at thing, and another state repealed its repeal of the death penalty! I'd like to see more of that in the UK.
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NickinOX  Sailing country. 11 Nov 16 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
It is however rather outdated in terms of Electoral Colleges, given the speed at which the vote of each individual can be counted in the modern age. That said, I do like the fact that Americans at elections get to vote on all kinds of issues, not just their representative. 7 States at the Election voted to legalise Cannabis, two more new states made Medical Weed at thing, and another state repealed its repeal of the death penalty! I'd like to see more of that in the UK. Where I live there were a number of other issues on the ballot too. e.g. Whether to approve a casino, a bond to help the local university to expand its engineering programs, etc. I like being able to vote for things like that. The system is not perfect, but it does allow people to vote on things that too often are pushed through parliament or Congress via a pork barrel. In Vermont they still have the only town meeting day in the nation (they used to be the norm). Whereby the town meets and votes on the town's budget, line by line. Whole family's show up, and a buddy and I went one year with a picnic, and sat for the day and voted. Edited by NickinOX (11 Nov 2016 3.12pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Nov 16 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
The referendum question was... Should the United Kingdom remain part of the European Union or leave the European Union? Nothing about Scotland. London voted to remain, do you think the people of London deserve a vote on independence from the rest of the UK? Of course not.
Demands Independence for the UK from the EU, but rejects the right for Scotland to make its own decisions about sovereignty. You do see how those two states are contradictory. That we have the right to determine not to belong to a larger Union, but that Scotland doesn't. The mistake was having the independence referendum a couple of years before the UK had its EU independence referendum. Realistically, the outcome of the Scottish vote could have been very different had the UK voted out of the EU. Of course the EU is likely a doomed beast now. If I was Scotland, I'd think about giving it a year or two to see if it survives the French Election. And f**k the EU, its a corporate whoremonger.
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 11 Nov 16 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Demands Independence for the UK from the EU, but rejects the right for Scotland to make its own decisions about sovereignty. You do see how those two states are contradictory. That we have the right to determine not to belong to a larger Union, but that Scotland doesn't. The mistake was having the independence referendum a couple of years before the UK had its EU independence referendum. Realistically, the outcome of the Scottish vote could have been very different had the UK voted out of the EU. Of course the EU is likely a doomed beast now. If I was Scotland, I'd think about giving it a year or two to see if it survives the French Election. And f**k the EU, its a corporate whoremonger.
1. You can flip that round and say it's weird for the SNP to demand freedom and self-governance from the UK but wish to be a part of the European Union. 2. Scotland did have the right to determine whether to be a part of a larger union. It voted as part of the UK in the EU referendum. It had just as much of a say as every other part of the country. Just because it moans the most about it doesn't give it special status. They've also had their own Indyref, how much more of a say does it want??? 3. The fault for that lies squarely at the door of the SNP. For what it's worth, I think the Scots would never be daft enough to vote for independence, and are actually even less likely to now than they were before Brexit. 4. The SNP didn't win a majority in the Scottish Parliament so they can't call a referendum as they're (just) outnumbered by unionist parties anyway. 5. Agreed.
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