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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 16 8.17pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Hyperbole... The concentration camps were well known to the German people, as were the Ghettos. The death camps less so, but to say people weren't aware isn't true either. They didn't want to know, because they didn't want to believe. What did they really think was happening in the concentration camps? They knew something terrible was going on, they just didn't realise how terrible it was. What worries me, is that everyone seems to forget it wasn't just the Jews that were being murdered on mass. As for Stalin, fk him, and Lenin and Trotsky, they saw human life as an expendable asset to be used up, and that doing so was fine, provided it served their purposes. Stalin wasn't even killing dissenters, just people who caught his attention. The bloke was a fking Monster. So how many political dissenters did Castro murder, who hadn't actually committed real crimes? No one seems sure, and the numbers vary dramatically because there is no real consensus on whether they were innocent or guilty. There are plenty of those killed following the revolution and the bay of pigs that were a long way from innocent. But the state also criminally treated homosexuals and black Cubans, along with never moving on from that 'cold war paranoia'. Then again of course the US were quite prolific in their attempts to murder Castro, and to support any anti-Cuban terrorists. Definitely some, and for that Castro can never really be as Corbyn puts it a hero (and politics doesn't produce heroes anyway it produces selfish c**ts of people). Well you rather disagreed with me and then agreed. Remember we are talking about this with hindsight and yes, I'm sure people's thoughts about what they knew or heard rumour of was filtered through nationalism or their own sense of what they believed could be true. We will never know for sure of course, but I reckon a lot of people in Britain and Germany were either shocked to learn of the nature and scale of the holocaust or had their deepest suspicions or fears confirmed. My wider point was that the holocaust seems to have a special place in history and politics. The exposure it has had, which has been in no small part due to Jewish immigrants in the American media. I don't think this is by any means a bad thing, as every generation needs to see it for themselves, but there are many other dark areas of human history that deserve a visit as well. As for Castro. Being ruler of Cuba could not have been an easy gig, much the same as Iraq was for Saddam Hussein. I have no time for either of them but their deaths also brought me no pleasure at all,especially Saddam. I doubt the same can be said for the victims of their regimes.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Hyperbole... The concentration camps were well known to the German people, as were the Ghettos. The death camps less so, but to say people weren't aware isn't true either. They didn't want to know, because they didn't want to believe.

What did they really think was happening in the concentration camps? They knew something terrible was going on, they just didn't realise how terrible it was.

What worries me, is that everyone seems to forget it wasn't just the Jews that were being murdered on mass.

As for Stalin, f**k him, and Lenin and Trotsky, they saw human life as an expendable asset to be used up, and that doing so was fine, provided it served their purposes. Stalin wasn't even killing dissenters, just people who caught his attention. The bloke was a f**king Monster.

So how many political dissenters did Castro murder, who hadn't actually committed real crimes? No one seems sure, and the numbers vary dramatically because there is no real consensus on whether they were innocent or guilty. There are plenty of those killed following the revolution and the bay of pigs that were a long way from innocent.

But the state also criminally treated homosexuals and black Cubans, along with never moving on from that 'cold war paranoia'. Then again of course the US were quite prolific in their attempts to murder Castro, and to support any anti-Cuban terrorists.

Definitely some, and for that Castro can never really be as Corbyn puts it a hero (and politics doesn't produce heroes anyway it produces selfish c**ts of people).

Well you rather disagreed with me and then agreed.
Remember we are talking about this with hindsight and yes, I'm sure people's thoughts about what they knew or heard rumour of was filtered through nationalism or their own sense of what they believed could be true.
We will never know for sure of course, but I reckon a lot of people in Britain and Germany were either shocked to learn of the nature and scale of the holocaust or had their deepest suspicions or fears confirmed. My wider point was that the holocaust seems to have a special place in history and politics. The exposure it has had, which has been in no small part due to Jewish immigrants in the American media. I don't think this is by any means a bad thing, as every generation needs to see it for themselves, but there are many other dark areas of human history that deserve a visit as well.
As for Castro. Being ruler of Cuba could not have been an easy gig, much the same as Iraq was for Saddam Hussein. I have no time for either of them but their deaths also brought me no pleasure at all,especially Saddam. I doubt the same can be said for the victims of their regimes.

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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 16 8.21pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Lordy - you are not one of them Jewish media conspiracy theorists as well, are you? You are ticking off way too many boxes in the 'Are You of the Far Right?' survey at this moment. Don't tell me, there are a disproportionate amount of Jewish people who run the news/Hollywood. Yes, and....? Are you saying that I am wrong? Or are you too busy indulging in your own everyone's a fascist fantasy?
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29 Nov 16 8.21pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Lordy - you are not one of them Jewish media conspiracy theorists as well, are you?

You are ticking off way too many boxes in the 'Are You of the Far Right?' survey at this moment.

Don't tell me, there are a disproportionate amount of Jewish people who run the news/Hollywood.

Yes, and....?

Are you saying that I am wrong? Or are you too busy indulging in your own everyone's a fascist fantasy?

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matt_himself Matataland 29 Nov 16 8.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Are you saying that I am wrong? Or are you too busy indulging in your own everyone's a fascist fantasy? I married a black woman and in Michaels book I am black shirted, card carrying nazi. His sense of reason is obscured by the holes he digs himself into. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 29 Nov 16 8.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are you saying that I am wrong? Or are you too busy indulging in your own everyone's a fascist fantasy?

I married a black woman and in Michaels book I am black shirted, card carrying nazi.

His sense of reason is obscured by the holes he digs himself into.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 16 8.27pm
Originally posted by matt_himself I married a black woman and in Michaels book I am black shirted, card carrying nazi. His sense of reason is obscured by the holes he digs himself into. I'm beginning to think that he sleeps with a gun under his pillow just in case the Gestapo come calling. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Nov 2016 8.27pm)
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29 Nov 16 8.27pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I married a black woman and in Michaels book I am black shirted, card carrying nazi.

His sense of reason is obscured by the holes he digs himself into.

I'm beginning to think that he sleeps with a gun under his pillow just in case the Gestapo come calling.

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matt_himself Matataland 29 Nov 16 8.48pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm beginning to think that he sleeps with a gun under his pillow just in case the Gestapo come calling. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Nov 2016 8.27pm) Where he lives, with the 1.2% ethnic minority population, that is a distinct possibility. You can't but help think that the lad is compensating for something on here. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 29 Nov 16 8.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm beginning to think that he sleeps with a gun under his pillow just in case the Gestapo come calling.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Nov 2016 8.27pm)

Where he lives, with the 1.2% ethnic minority population, that is a distinct possibility.

You can't but help think that the lad is compensating for something on here.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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legaleagle 29 Nov 16 9.52pm
Originally posted by matt_himself I married a black woman and in Michaels book I am black shirted, card carrying nazi. His sense of reason is obscured by the holes he digs himself into. You are deffo bonkers IMHO but deffo not a racist....but then again you don't invariably reduce threads to a discussion about immigration or people of a differing ethnicity to you...
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29 Nov 16 9.52pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I married a black woman and in Michaels book I am black shirted, card carrying nazi.

His sense of reason is obscured by the holes he digs himself into.

You are deffo bonkers IMHO but deffo not a racist....but then again you don't invariably reduce threads to a discussion about immigration or people of a differing ethnicity to you...

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 30 Nov 16 4.25am
Here's a question: Would you rather be led by Donald Trump or Fidel Castro?
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Beckenham 30 Nov 16 4.25am

Here's a question: Would you rather be led by Donald Trump or Fidel Castro?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Nov 16 9.43am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Here's a question: Would you rather be led by Donald Trump or Fidel Castro? Trump, there is 1) a likely 4 year limit b) an entire apparatus of state to counter the whims of the president c) laws applicable to the state and constitution that limit the scope of power. If we were talking in terms of absolute power in the hands of one person. Castro, he's dead. As such his capacity is somewhat limited. Probably even if both were alive, I think in terms of a dictatorship Castro would likely be a better bet (for me) than Trump. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 30 Nov 16 9.43am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Here's a question: Would you rather be led by Donald Trump or Fidel Castro?

Trump, there is 1) a likely 4 year limit b) an entire apparatus of state to counter the whims of the president c) laws applicable to the state and constitution that limit the scope of power.

If we were talking in terms of absolute power in the hands of one person. Castro, he's dead. As such his capacity is somewhat limited. Probably even if both were alive, I think in terms of a dictatorship Castro would likely be a better bet (for me) than Trump.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hoof Hearted 30 Nov 16 10.26am
Originally posted by matt_himself Where he lives, with the 1.2% ethnic minority population, that is a distinct possibility. You can't but help think that the lad is compensating for something on here. Hahaha... that line becomes hilarious if you imagine Jimmy Hill delivering it on MOTD. Priceless matty lad!
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Hoof Hearted 30 Nov 16 10.26am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Where he lives, with the 1.2% ethnic minority population, that is a distinct possibility.

You can't but help think that the lad is compensating for something on here.

Hahaha... that line becomes hilarious if you imagine Jimmy Hill delivering it on MOTD.

Priceless matty lad!

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Dec 16 8.09pm
Cuba's 'oppressed' say farewell to Fidel. Attachment: FB_IMG_1480968418180.jpg (110.45Kb)
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Shizzlehurst 05 Dec 16 8.09pm

Cuba's 'oppressed' say farewell to Fidel.

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elgrande bedford 05 Dec 16 8.46pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Cuba's 'oppressed' say farewell to Fidel. Very good nick,but isn't his brother in charge now,don't think they have been coerced then.....really. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 05 Dec 16 8.46pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Cuba's 'oppressed' say farewell to Fidel.

Very good nick,but isn't his brother in charge now,don't think they have been coerced then.....really.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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NickinOX Sailing country. 05 Dec 16 9.24pm
Stalin's 'oppressed' say farewell to him. Attachment: IMG_0158.JPG (105.16Kb) If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Sailing country. 05 Dec 16 9.24pm

Stalin's 'oppressed' say farewell to him.

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If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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