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View Sedlescombe's Profile Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 16 Jan 17 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Sedlescombe Add Sedlescombe as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well I would respond, but the powers that be have decided to yellow carded me. This is basically a license for those inclined to abuse me with any accusations they please and I cannot respond in kind. Given that, I have decided not to bother posting. It's not a level playing field when you can get called a racist for having an opinion on immigration, with no punishment for the abuser, and get yellow carded for retaliation.
I'm not playing with those rules.

I am not calling you a racist. We can disagree about immigration with out me calling you or for you to be a racist.

 

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View Mr_Gristle's Profile Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 Jan 17 1.04pm Send a Private Message to Mr_Gristle Add Mr_Gristle as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Ban smokers and junk food addicts from accessing the NHS.

Problem solved.

On one level, you're right. On another level though, these people are paying lots of duty to HMRC through their lifestyle choices so they are entitled to some sort of service paid for by public money, no?

Increasing the tax take through closure of loopholes and proper enforcement at the top end and applying proper management disciplines within the NHS itself will help the situation.

No amount of party political basis should blind people to the reality of the number of government members with financial interests in private health care companies.

 


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View Lakeview's Profile Lakeview Flag Lincoln 16 Jan 17 1.11pm Send a Private Message to Lakeview Add Lakeview as a friend

I have a daughter who is a young doctor. She has seen patients laying on floors of late when no beds were available. The flu viruses have caused some of this. Junior doctor posts are not being filled due to some leaving for Australia where working practices are better or simply doing locum work instead-so working when they wish and at a higher pay rate i.e one that costs the NHS more, I believe. She disapproves of the "tactic" by some doctors to work in this way, but it seems the vast majority have had enough of Jeremy Hunt. Teresa May's suggestion that G.P's work 7 day weeks on the same financial settlement is scarcely designed to inspire morale either.Young doctors are largely avoiding G.P roles, so long-term this issue will also get worse.Supporting Palace also puts me at greater risk of heart-failure, so I'm concerned.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Jan 17 1.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well I would respond, but the powers that be have decided to yellow carded me. This is basically a license for those inclined to abuse me with any accusations they please and I cannot respond in kind. Given that, I have decided not to bother posting. It's not a level playing field when you can get called a racist for having an opinion on immigration, with no punishment for the abuser, and get yellow carded for retaliation.
I'm not playing with those rules.

The yellow card was for starting straight back into the personal exchange on a different subject.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Jan 17 2.01pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

It is if you are on benefits and don't pay tax or NI.

Of course it is, its also free to people who earn less than the tax threshold in general as well.

I'm not sure what your point is, because if they paid tax or NI, it would only come from an increase in their welfare payments.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Jan 17 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The yellow card was for starting straight back into the personal exchange on a different subject.

Where as calling someone a racist is OK.

I think I'll come back when all forms of abuse and prejudice carry the same punishments.

 

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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 16 Jan 17 2.50pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Where as calling someone a racist is OK.

I think I'll come back when all forms of abuse and prejudice carry the same punishments.

Don't flounce Hrolf. Everyone knows the Hol isn't perfect and some have been called all manner of erroneous things (including me). You aren't the only one.

Place is better with you than without.

 


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View richard.fisher's Profile richard.fisher Flag 16 Jan 17 3.05pm Send a Private Message to richard.fisher Add richard.fisher as a friend

I am afraid I haven't read every post in this thread and so it is possible I am revisiting ground that has already been covered.

The original poster asked 'What's the view from the inside?'

I am a hospital doctor and this is my 12th winter working in the NHS (I skipped to Australia for 2 winters about 10 years back). I have discussed this winter with colleagues who have worked as long or longer than I and my overall considered opinion is I have absolutely no idea if this year is better, worse or the same as previous years. At ground level (from where I cannot see the 'big picture') it seems essentially the same as every other winter.

From the moment I arrive at work until 1-2 hours after my shift should have finished I work without a break and see an essentially limitless number of patients. This has always been the case. The ICU I work on is at capacity. This is always the case. Elective operations at my trust have so far almost always gone ahead, and while I have been on I don't believe we've cancelled a single operation for a patient with an urgent indication for surgery (such as cancer). I have not been told once I can't prescribe a drug or offer a treatment because we can't afford it. At the end of every month I get paid.

I am not saying that things are okay, are better or are worse than ever before. Just from the inside (but at ground level) it is just not possible for me to tell.

It certainly feels similar to every other winter.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 16 Jan 17 3.52pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Don't flounce Hrolf. Everyone knows the Hol isn't perfect and some have been called all manner of erroneous things (including me). You aren't the only one.

Place is better with you than without.

My yellow card has been there so long I call it Cabaye.

Just carried on normally I post and reply a few times each day usually.

Its bright so you can find your posts quick think I will try and find out why its there still tho.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 17 3.56pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Where as calling someone a racist is OK.

I think I'll come back when all forms of abuse and prejudice carry the same punishments.

Just be thankful it's a yellow card and not a yellow star.

Shame if you go, I read you every day.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Jan 17 4.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Where as calling someone a racist is OK.

I think I'll come back when all forms of abuse and prejudice carry the same punishments.

You were giving as good as you got in that argument - it was when you simply started out where you left off effectively in the next thread.

It wasn't for abuse or prejudice, it was 'carrying the personal issues over into a new thread, after being warned in a previous one.'

The nature of the proceeding thread was such that a warning felt like a better option than just giving four people cards.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Jan 17 4.02pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Just be thankful it's a yellow card and not a yellow star.

Shame if you go, I read you every day.

Sorry, but that's the same kind of thing Hrolf got a yellow for.

Now you can both be persecuted by the man

 


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