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Pista  Bristol 15 Mar 17 8.10pm |
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Originally posted by Crystal_Clear
I think that if the SNP want another referendum, then they need to set out a highly-detailed plan of how they propose do thing post independence. Isn't that a bit hypocritical given that the Tories didn't do that before the EU referendum? Originally posted by Crystal_Clear
It won't happen, because they have no plan just a pull on the country's nationalism. Not having a plan seems quite fashionable these days. Originally posted by Crystal_Clear
One of the first things would be that they would need to adopt the Euro, unless they can come up with their own currency in double quick time. WTF is the problem with the Euro? If they can find something to buy from us then it'll be at least 20% cheaper than it was 8 months ago.
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| Pista Bristol 15 Mar 17 8.13pm |
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Can only see this continuing to go one way.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Mar 17 8.30pm |
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Originally posted by Pista
WTF is the problem with the Euro? If they can find something to buy from us then it'll be at least 20% cheaper than it was 8 months ago.
They won't be able to just walk into the Euro (or, indeed, the EU). After the PIIGS fiasco, the criteria for entry will be rather more stringent than the downright book-cooking that took place when, say, Greece joined. So what currency will this vibrant, newly-independent Scotland be using?
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| Pista Bristol 15 Mar 17 8.57pm |
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You'll find if you read it again that I was responding to a poster who said that "One of the first things would be that they would need to adopt the Euro, unless they can come up with their own currency in double quick time." I didn't say they could take the Euro, I just asked what's wrong with doing so? Perhaps you'd care to answer that question?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Mar 17 9.01pm |
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Wrong flipping thread. Edited by nickgusset (15 Mar 2017 9.05pm)
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Mar 17 9.10pm |
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Originally posted by Pista
You'll find if you read it again that I was responding to a poster who said that "One of the first things would be that they would need to adopt the Euro, unless they can come up with their own currency in double quick time." I didn't say they could take the Euro, I just asked what's wrong with doing so? Perhaps you'd care to answer that question? Yours is a hypothetical scenario. They won't be using the Euro, so whether it would be right or wrong to do so doesn't really come into it. As to the Euro itself, it's a hard currency (for now) and is fine for trading purposes. You suggested that the previous poster had some problem with it but my reading of what he said was merely that they'd need to adopt a new currency. I then expanded on that point and highlighted the difficulties that would present as neither sterling or the Euro would be available options.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Mar 17 10.21am |
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Originally posted by Crystal_Clear
I think that if the SNP want another referendum, then they need to set out a highly-detailed plan of how they propose do thing post independence. If that means relying upon other nations and companies, then there needs to be a written statement by those parties to honour these agreements. It won't happen, because they have no plan just a pull on the country's nationalism. One of the first things would be that they would need to adopt the Euro, unless they can come up with their own currency in double quick time. regardless of either, they would still be in the EU and therefore helping prop up the southern european countries. It's all well saying that we want make own decisions, but when it starts hitting people in the pocket, they'll soon chance their stance. So basically, they're no different than the highly organised, well planned and strictly on the facts Leave campaign. Scotland won't vote to leave anyhow. The swing from the last referendum would need to be very dramatic. Unless Brexit turns into a comedy of disasterous errors, Scotland will stay.
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 npn Crowborough 16 Mar 17 11.06am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So basically, they're no different than the highly organised, well planned and strictly on the facts Leave campaign. Scotland won't vote to leave anyhow. The swing from the last referendum would need to be very dramatic. Unless Brexit turns into a comedy of disasterous errors, Scotland will stay. I'm not as confident as you, but if they are allowed to have a referendum, it should be under the proviso that they cannot call another for at least 20 years, with none of this "unless something changes" cop out. Wee Jimmie is just going to keep asking the question until she gets the answer she wants. Personally, I'm not that fussed any more either way - bored of the whole thing.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 16 Mar 17 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
They won't be able to just walk into the Euro (or, indeed, the EU). After the PIIGS fiasco, the criteria for entry will be rather more stringent than the downright book-cooking that took place when, say, Greece joined. So what currency will this vibrant, newly-independent Scotland be using? Either using the Euro and having no control over their own currency or pegged to Sterling and .... having no control over their own currency.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Mar 17 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by npn
I'm not as confident as you, but if they are allowed to have a referendum, it should be under the proviso that they cannot call another for at least 20 years, with none of this "unless something changes" cop out. Wee Jimmie is just going to keep asking the question until she gets the answer she wants. Personally, I'm not that fussed any more either way - bored of the whole thing. I think they're kind of justified over the Brexit vote, given that the remain vote in Scotland was so high. But they're playing a blind hand. They really should have waited until they got a look at what Brexit might mean, and leveraged that (either for supporting the exit in return for Scottish benefit, or as a basis for a new referendum based on the cost to Scotland). Of course they could have lost out on getting a referendum, if the Brexit deal was reasonable for Scotland - but then they could have benefitted by claiming their influence made it so.... They've 'called' too soon, and just trying to leverage the uncertainty. Of course the last thing they actually want is another referendum. If they lose by the same margin they could risk the Scottish Labour Party recovering seats at the next election. Uncertainty is a bad horse to back. Short termism.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Mar 17 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think they're kind of justified over the Brexit vote, given that the remain vote in Scotland was so high. But they're playing a blind hand. They really should have waited until they got a look at what Brexit might mean, and leveraged that (either for supporting the exit in return for Scottish benefit, or as a basis for a new referendum based on the cost to Scotland). Of course they could have lost out on getting a referendum, if the Brexit deal was reasonable for Scotland - but then they could have benefitted by claiming their influence made it so.... They've 'called' too soon, and just trying to leverage the uncertainty. Of course the last thing they actually want is another referendum. If they lose by the same margin they could risk the Scottish Labour Party recovering seats at the next election. Uncertainty is a bad horse to back. Short termism. Exactly right. They are playing politics knowing that a good Brexit outcome will undermine their nationalism. The same with Labour in England. They are trying their very best to paint the Tories as incompetent because that has been Labour's epithet since the 70's. When a Brexit deal is realised, that chance could evaporate.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Mar 17 1.53pm |
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The FM of Scotland is a politician that is why she plays politics. Mrs May is a free gift to the independence cause.
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