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View slubglurge's Profile slubglurge Flag welling 11 Aug 17 8.34am Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

I don't agree with it full stop. It holds back clubs young players. Chelsea see it as part of their business model. Loan 40 players out every season for fees and wages and it is costing them nothing to hoard these players while making a nice lot of money from the process. Virtually all of them will never make the 1st team and then they willbe sold off with their profiles higher to fetch a higher price

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 11 Aug 17 9.06am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Football at top leve nowl is totally ruthless short termism. That is why loaning works. There is no loyalty or love left. It's all about who is right today. Not yesterday or tomorrow. Fast fit agile big athletic skilful that's what cuts it now. So we have to accept that and run with it.
So The likes of Ward whose done a great job for us is suddenly history. We got half a dozen who we have loved but who are now history. As a club we are embracing the new face of football which will take us to new levels. But it will have its casualties too. If we want it we have to toughen up and accept reality. Hang on to loyalty, love and history and we will fail. FdB has been brought in to deliver a new product. Tough but fact. Not easy for everyone to accept especially where we came from, but it is what it is. Here today gone tomorrow players know this. No loyalty. Follow the money. How long will it last?
Who knows.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 11 Aug 17 9.13am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Loans are useful as supplements to the squad, and should never replace actual signings in the same period. Afterall, all a loan is only a deferment of the problem - when the loan period has ended you are left with The same problem, although maybe with a slightly higher chance of signing the loaned player.
They should be used when it allows you to fill a gap in the squad that your could not otherwise fill. Yes, it may block youngsters coming through, but due to the high penalties of failure in this league, it can be too risky to blood untested young players. (A squad should not include untested Youth Players as starters)
If reports are to be believed that SA spunked all of The transfer budget in January - then a) it was completely justified and b) we should consider them as summer signings. The loaning of TFM and RLC has allowed us to sign Luka, Schlupp and PVA. and Boy! did we need them in January.

 


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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 11 Aug 17 9.35am Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

I like it. Means we can get in a couple of decent young players for a minimum of a year for a small amount of money. I'm not particularly bothered if we are bringing along players for the bigger clubs, if the loanees are helping us get 3 points on a regular basis.
If RLCs loan means that Puncheon plays less then we will have a better first 11. Also we have a year to look for a long term replacement , possibly RLC.

 

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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 11 Aug 17 10.41am Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

I think the mistake being made by many people on here moaning about loans is that a loan player is not a signing the club makes instead of a permanent signing...it is more often a signing we can make on top of permanent signings.

Let’s say the club spend 30m altogether this summer. 8m on Riedewald and another 20m let’s say.

Both RLC and TFM would cost us a minimum of 15m each...maybe even more.

Those two loans if permanent would have cost us our entire summer kitty.

FdB has come in and changed the system completely. He needs different players than the ones we had. There is only so much money to spend so the club have a choice...do you only spend money on permanent players and only solve half the problems at the club or do you mix it up with loans as well and plug all the gaps giving a whole year to make plans for more permanent solutions?

It’s a god damn no brainer to me but people will still complain.

Some people saying we should only loan players who we can buy at the end of the loan...what are you on about??? These two chaps are not for sale, because their clubs believe they can be 1st team players and are too good to be sold. Would you prefer we signed players that are not as good as them and who are not wanted by their parent clubs because they are not good enough???

 

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View Dan89's Profile Dan89 Flag Se25 11 Aug 17 10.49am Send a Private Message to Dan89 Add Dan89 as a friend

Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

I think the mistake being made by many people on here moaning about loans is that a loan player is not a signing the club makes instead of a permanent signing...it is more often a signing we can make on top of permanent signings.

Let’s say the club spend 30m altogether this summer. 8m on Riedewald and another 20m let’s say.

Both RLC and TFM would cost us a minimum of 15m each...maybe even more.

Those two loans if permanent would have cost us our entire summer kitty.

FdB has come in and changed the system completely. He needs different players than the ones we had. There is only so much money to spend so the club have a choice...do you only spend money on permanent players and only solve half the problems at the club or do you mix it up with loans as well and plug all the gaps giving a whole year to make plans for more permanent solutions?

It’s a god damn no brainer to me but people will still complain.

Some people saying we should only loan players who we can buy at the end of the loan...what are you on about??? These two chaps are not for sale, because their clubs believe they can be 1st team players and are too good to be sold. Would you prefer we signed players that are not as good as them and who are not wanted by their parent clubs because they are not good enough???

It's not long term solution, fast forward to next summer and we still have these holes in the team developing for Chelsea and Man Utd benefit. We should be looking for more long term.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 11 Aug 17 11.00am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Dan89

It's not long term solution, fast forward to next summer and we still have these holes in the team developing for Chelsea and Man Utd benefit. We should be looking for more long term.

It isn't a long term solutions but it could be part of a long term solution.

If using a pair of quality loan players enables us to move away from being perennial strugglers and relegation candidates to mid table it will be easier in the future to attract replacements.

 

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 11 Aug 17 11.01am Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Dan89

It's not long term solution, fast forward to next summer and we still have these holes in the team developing for Chelsea and Man Utd benefit. We should be looking for more long term.

Absolutely Dan89, loaning a player you have no chance of signing is the ultimate short term move. Fast forward 1 year and we wont have moved on at all in those positions, if they become first teamers.

 


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View Dan89's Profile Dan89 Flag Se25 11 Aug 17 11.14am Send a Private Message to Dan89 Add Dan89 as a friend

If we get a few of our younger players integrated then could be a plus like Lokilo or wan-bisakka . Then could be a positive, but think I'd rather get Chambers on loan with that fee already set and option to buy would be better than fosu-mensah. If both are successful and play a huge part in this season. Next summer we're having these problems to solve, let alone more that will arise. I do like the fact we are targeting young players, but I'd rather get them permanently. With Man City spending maybe we can nab maffeo or Patrick Roberts.

 


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View alaneagle1's Profile alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 11 Aug 17 11.33am Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

It will purely depend on the parent club willing to sell.
Ashley Cole was never going to be sold.
Paul Stewart was,but Ron would not pay his wages.
Sakho is for sale but supposedly we will not pay the fee or wages.
Let's see how the new lads perform in the Red&Blue.
Then worry about signing permanently.
Shame we did not loan Mutch.

 


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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 11 Aug 17 11.40am Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Dan89

It's not long term solution, fast forward to next summer and we still have these holes in the team developing for Chelsea and Man Utd benefit. We should be looking for more long term.

Are you an idiot?

If we don't have the money to buy permanent replacements and we don't have the right quality available in the youth setup then what would your alternative suggestion be? Because it sounds as if you don't have a solution and that you are just moaning for the sakes of it.

If you have enough money to buy 3 players but you need maybe 5 or 6 players if you are going to succeed then what is the solution?

 

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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 11 Aug 17 11.42am Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Absolutely Dan89, loaning a player you have no chance of signing is the ultimate short term move. Fast forward 1 year and we wont have moved on at all in those positions, if they become first teamers.

Fast forward a year and we are another 100m richer for still being in the prem league which is a better solution than not having the required quality in the team and getting relegated.

 

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