Difference is we were never in danger with Pardew of going down , and we had points on the board
This guy will take us down

I wouldn't say we were in no danger of going down with the amount of goals we were conceding and players requesting defensive training on Wednesday, getting it on Thursday, then taking it themselves on Friday. But we could create and score goals with the football being played on the floor from open play attacks because the players knew where they should be and should do, and they knew the same of their teammates. What we've had is full backs that can't play wing back and CB's not up to the standard to play in a 3.

COYP

I agree but then they must look and think,

'Joel at RWB?'

'3 new youngsters in v Huddersfield. 2 of them in the back 3, one of the arrived at the club 4 days ago.'

'More changes than we thought were coming and all happening vs the easier teams when we could get points on the board before 3 of the top 4.'

All of that done after Luka played all pre season at CB and ward didn't play at all. Must feel like going over the top of the trenches with a stick in your hand.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (30 Aug 2017 5.49pm)

COYP

I do think he's underestimated how tough the premier league is, it's a whole different animal to the Dutch league, and I'm sure he's learning after making mistakes himself, it's just whether he's going to have long enough, because there's losing and there's losing and we have been pretty bad. But I still think certain players after having their arses kicked by fat Sam and avoiding the drop and being heroes again could be giving De Boer a lot more!!

Edited by monkey (30 Aug 2017 6.51pm)

Made in Bromley

It's amazing what people think about a manager who's only had a few games to sort things. A few choice quotes from here:

"He's already half way there, he's taken away our attacking intent and now we lose without scoring, same result, no excitement. Makes me delighted."

"He has produced a side who are not performing, it is quite clear he has lost the dressing room."

"The worse thing for me was the way so many Palace fans are so quick to turn on their own team. Even a square pass in the face of a packed defence attracted huge moans."

"The booing is self-destructive. If you want to demoralise your own team and boost the oppo, that's what you do. It made us fans look poor and fair-weather, light-weights."

"He always has an excuse for everything and it is never his fault. The defence has got worse. 5 at the back at home against the bottom club is a bizarre formation. He reminds me of Van Gaal at Man U - this way has worked for me before so i keep doing the same thing."

"Since this arrival we are conceding more goals and have rarely looked like scoring. The owners having given him the backing in the window have got to stick with him but I am far from sure whether he is the right man. Our only hope now is new signings gel quickly enough to turn things round."

"I am struggling to see how we are better now than we were a month ago. At least then we were playing the ball forward and scoring goals. We are now pedestrian no movement and struggling to get a shot on target. We are making Swansea look far far better than they really are. Going down with a wimper."

"It won't have helped that, on arrival, he described them as having the mentality of "losers" For the first time in a few years, some fans have turned really toxic and lashed out at the players. Right now, I guess the atmosphere is not good, and some stalwart players may be looking for a Palace exit."

"Well it has'nt he has no strategy complaining about a thin squad does not wash, the squad is not thin but it does have a massive injury problem. He has not helped by playing a now dispirited rudderless team and making uninspired selections and substitutions. He has rabbed the cash and sits there getting fatter."

Oh yeah, these are quotes about Big Sam in January, not FDB. The more things change, the more they stay the same...

The things Frank did Sam would never have done. Maybe the starts were similar, but Frank's had a pre season to play players in different positions to where they started the season, and then made irresponsible decisions and selections and it looks like he's totally neglected the need to analyse and plan against the opposition. Something the opposition have found all too easy after broadcasting his formation to suit, but not suit, the players. And some pre season games to be sure of their tactics as well.

Let's hope he learns fast. I'll be doing what Jordan said. God it's rare I agree with him on palace but I do this summer. We should all support Frank until you cannot support him any more.

COYP