FA Adopts Rooney Rule
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 Stuk  Top half 19 Jan 18 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Like anyone who wants a career always used to do - you get in at the bottom level, prove yourself and gradually work your way up the ladder as your competence and experience increased until such time as you become a valid and worthwhile candidate for the cream of the crop jobs. It's how I and many others built our CV's and careers, and gives the employer a good overall view of your abilities and capabilities over a period of time - by which time you WILL have become a 'known' contender. Or you could be Ryan Giggs... who got the assistant managers job at Man U straight out of the box, followed by caretaker manager of Man U, followed by national team head coach! And he ticks the BAME box too funnily enough. He is mixed race.
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kenbarr  Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 19 Jan 18 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Couldn't. I know this is an Americanism but it's one that just doesn't make sense. Yet, I'm an American and a New Yorker. It makes perfect sense to me both grammatically and contextually. All that means is George Bernard Shaw was right.
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| kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 19 Jan 18 5.24pm |
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The Rooney Rule was devised by Americans for use in American society. Britain's ethnic/racial history is very different from the USA's, where discrimination based on race was enshrined in the written Constitution and had to amended out. Therefore, the implementation of a rule that seeks to bring BAME/Caribbean heritage/Asian/Indigenous people into any industry must be tailored to suit the society and industry it is meant to affect. To merely say that an organisation must interview at least one BAME/Caribbean/Asian heritage/Indigenous person per vacated position is merely eyewash. What is needed, both here in the USA and in the UK, is a holistic approach that incorporates training/education along with employment opportunities. Where is the push to recruit "minorities" into upper level coaching programs? How many BAME/Caribbean heritage/Asian/Indigenous people hold such qualifications? The "Rooney Rule" is merely a band-aid that masks a far larger issue. Once again, Sweet Fanny Adams underwhelms. Edited by kenbarr (19 Jan 2018 5.25pm)
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| Stuk Top half 19 Jan 18 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by kenbarr
Yet, I'm an American and a New Yorker. It makes perfect sense to me both grammatically and contextually. All that means is George Bernard Shaw was right. I could care less is not the same as I couldn't care less, it's grammatically incorrect for what your sentiment was. Even if your country does it on a wholesale basis.
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| grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 19 Jan 18 6.22pm |
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This is another one of those stupid policies it should be about who is best for the role nothing to do with race or colour. No one is being held back by the current system
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| kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 19 Jan 18 7.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
I could care less is not the same as I couldn't care less, it's grammatically incorrect for what your sentiment was. Even if your country does it on a wholesale basis. It makes perfect grammatical sense to us. By the way, who won the Battle of Yorktown?
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| kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 19 Jan 18 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
This is another one of those stupid policies it should be about who is best for the role nothing to do with race or colour. No one is being held back by the current system I agree. It's a whole lot of eyewash.
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| Username Horsham 21 Jan 18 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by kenbarr
The Rooney Rule was devised by Americans for use in American society. Britain's ethnic/racial history is very different from the USA's, where discrimination based on race was enshrined in the written Constitution and had to amended out. Therefore, the implementation of a rule that seeks to bring BAME/Caribbean heritage/Asian/Indigenous people into any industry must be tailored to suit the society and industry it is meant to affect. To merely say that an organisation must interview at least one BAME/Caribbean/Asian heritage/Indigenous person per vacated position is merely eyewash. What is needed, both here in the USA and in the UK, is a holistic approach that incorporates training/education along with employment opportunities. Where is the push to recruit "minorities" into upper level coaching programs? How many BAME/Caribbean heritage/Asian/Indigenous people hold such qualifications? The "Rooney Rule" is merely a band-aid that masks a far larger issue. Once again, Sweet Fanny Adams underwhelms. The fact that it wouldn't fix the entire problem isn't a good enough reason to not do it at all IMO.
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| kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 21 Jan 18 8.06pm |
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Originally posted by Username
The fact that it wouldn't fix the entire problem isn't a good enough reason to not do it at all IMO. The problem is the FA really doesn't care, they just want to say they're doing something. If there was any real intent there would be much more than a promise to interview one BAME etc. per vacancy.
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| Stuk Top half 22 Jan 18 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by kenbarr
It makes perfect grammatical sense to us. By the way, who won the Battle of Yorktown? It might make sense to you, it doesn't make grammatical sense at all though. And nothing about it is perfect.
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| kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 22 Jan 18 4.20pm |
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In the immortal words of the song from "Frozen," Let it go, let it go!"
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| Stuk Top half 23 Jan 18 1.50pm |
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Back to topic. BAME managers just increased 20%.
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