Acid Attack
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 Mapletree  Croydon 27 Jul 18 12.22pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What a Weird statement. Any opinion by anyone is 'personal'. Your personal issue seems to be that you keep accusing others of demonising Islam but you are never prepared to state your position on the aspects of it that fully deserved to be criticised by anyone who wishes to uphold Western values or even basic human rights. This thread is about the acid attack As usual a couple of people use it as an excuse to assert that every other culture is less good than theirs, especially Muslim culture. What is naive is to try to separate out aspects of a religion and say 'I like this bit but not that'. They are integrated constructs and they live within broader cultures. You may as well say 'I didn't like the Nazis but look what a great job they did on health and child care'. All aspects of their philosophy work together, you can't pick and choose. You get the bad with the good. The Nazis didn't offer health and child care to Jews, it was all about building a strong pure race. Overall I can think of worse philosophies than Islam and I have worked in societies with many different constructs. I prefer to live in England if that helps you. But I am very happy in the company of English Muslims, on average I would say they are more ethical and kind than atheists and probably than Christians. Some aren't.
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cryrst  The garden of England 27 Jul 18 12.47pm |
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I don't recall holf asking you if you have an issue with muslims in total.
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| Mapletree Croydon 27 Jul 18 2.00pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I don't recall holf asking you if you have an issue with muslims in total. I don't think you understood my post I hold my own views on everything Given free rein I can find a reason to disagree with anything and anyone I choose not to But what about the acid attack on the child? I guess that is only relevant if it allows you to attack your favourite targets
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| Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jul 18 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
This thread is about the acid attack As usual a couple of people use it as an excuse to assert that every other culture is less good than theirs, especially Muslim culture. What is naive is to try to separate out aspects of a religion and say 'I like this bit but not that'. They are integrated constructs and they live within broader cultures. You may as well say 'I didn't like the Nazis but look what a great job they did on health and child care'. All aspects of their philosophy work together, you can't pick and choose. You get the bad with the good. The Nazis didn't offer health and child care to Jews, it was all about building a strong pure race. Overall I can think of worse philosophies than Islam and I have worked in societies with many different constructs. I prefer to live in England if that helps you. But I am very happy in the company of English Muslims, on average I would say they are more ethical and kind than atheists and probably than Christians. Some aren't. You must be a nightmare filling out forms Maple You cannot answer a single straightforward question. So are you telling me that you have a balanced view of the Nazis because they did a few things right and some of them were very friendly at dinner parties and that the killing 6 million Jews business has to be looked at in that context?
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| Mapletree Croydon 27 Jul 18 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You must be a nightmare filling out forms Maple You cannot answer a single straightforward question. So are you telling me that you have a balanced view of the Nazis because they did a few things right and some of them were very friendly at dinner parties and that the killing 6 million Jews business has to be looked at in that context? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jul 2018 2.16pm) No The opposite
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| Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jul 18 4.23pm |
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One cannot have it both ways. One is either able to criticise specific aspects of something without condemning anyone or anything connected to it or not. I'm sorry but the limitation being placed on me by this yellow card stuff is making me disinclined to bother posting.
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| cryrst The garden of England 27 Jul 18 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
One cannot have it both ways. One is either able to criticise specific aspects of something without condemning anyone or anything connected to it or not. I'm sorry but the limitation being placed on me by this yellow card stuff is making me disinclined to bother posting. Holf this is what I expected
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| Mapletree Croydon 27 Jul 18 6.06pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Holf this is what I expected You appear to be saying I think that someone has a right to have acid poured over a child due to their faith. No faith would give that right and to date I have seen no claim it was done using faith as an excuse. I guess it was a wicked man who paid people with zero morals to do his dirty work. If you believe Islam gives draconian rights such as that I can only suggest you ask a Muslim to explain As I have said before, you may get different answers from different Muslims - as with the Bible there are varying interpretations of Islamic scriptures. I hardly think there is a conspiracy against right wing posters on the HOL. You would no doubt find the BBS inhospitable though.
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| cryrst The garden of England 27 Jul 18 6.37pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You appear to be saying I think that someone has a right to have acid poured over a child due to their faith. No faith would give that right and to date I have seen no claim it was done using faith as an excuse. I guess it was a wicked man who paid people with zero morals to do his dirty work. If you believe Islam gives draconian rights such as that I can only suggest you ask a Muslim to explain As I have said before, you may get different answers from different Muslims - as with the Bible there are varying interpretations of Islamic scriptures. I hardly think there is a conspiracy against right wing posters on the HOL. You would no doubt find the BBS inhospitable though.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 27 Jul 18 8.04pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
i have worked with some seriously nice ones, and also some seriously nasty ones. is it statistically significant ?
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Park Road  28 Jul 18 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You appear to be saying I think that someone has a right to have acid poured over a child due to their faith. No faith would give that right and to date I have seen no claim it was done using faith as an excuse. I guess it was a wicked man who paid people with zero morals to do his dirty work. If you believe Islam gives draconian rights such as that I can only suggest you ask a Muslim to explain I hardly think there is a conspiracy against right wing posters on the HOL. You would no doubt find the BBS inhospitable though.
No need to ask a Muslim read the book. No kids mentioned in the verse above, not excluded either.
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| Stirlingsays 28 Jul 18 2.28pm |
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Maple kind of misses the point. Ultimately the biggest problem isn't in how many nice normal Muslims there are compared to poor ones. There are good and bad in every group and it's always a percentage question...even though our prisons have more than double the national percentage of Muslims in them. The point is at the group macro level.....Meaning that as a large majority they act and vote as a political block in non Muslim countries. Where they aren't the majority they want rights, where they are the majority rights are in shorter supply. It suits their interests to always vote left at the moment...It's not going to be every Muslim but it's going to be a high majority....even though amusingly they are a majority socially conservative group. However, as the group demographics increase they will change that voting preference to their own 'Muslim Brotherhood' type party. This is about twenty to thirty years down the line but it's going to happen. It's as predictable as the sun rising and it's all the fault of the left and the economic right. I'm secular and I'll be long gone, but this is a situation that the ideologically idealistic have given to my children and their generation and the outcome is uncertain.
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