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Tom-the-eagle  Croydon 19 Aug 18 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by YT
I am suitably shamed. If there is any defence, it was that I made the point in a spirit of humour (hence the emoji) but I guess I’ve managed to endorse the original premise about interpretation of the written word. Nothing to be shamed about. You're also a good poster.
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 cryrst  The garden of England 19 Aug 18 7.47pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Nothing to be shamed about. You're also a good poster. Seconded and basically fits my original question.
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 19 Aug 18 8.02pm |
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Easy to get the wrong end of the stick, YT"s emoji was a clear indication of irony which I failed to interpret - so it should all be leave and harmony again. Crumbs, I failed my English o level first time round, it can leave a mark like when bright kids have an off day and fail their 11 plus, but I got a load of snobby bs after and people who pick up on punctuation etc give me the red mist, I hate it when good or bad English is u or non-u, milk first tea second and all that cr*p, makes me want to burn my passport and pretend I'm Australian. It's better than a psychiatrists couch this website, and I speak from experience.
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chateauferret  19 Aug 18 8.09pm |
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It's a feature of English that we can take a word from one part of speech and just start using it as another without further ado. That's because it's a very analytic language, in which grammatical relationships between words are expressed by word order rather than by inflections, as is the case in say Russian. Nowadays people in social media "can give you a like", or they can "heart" something. Feels very cloying to me, but no different from the different uses of "effect" mentioned above, or when we "dog" someone, or describe skmething as "goosed", or when we "don't give a f***".
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 19 Aug 18 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
It's a feature of English that we can take a word from one part of speech and just start using it as another without further ado. That's because it's a very analytic language, in which grammatical relationships between words are expressed by word order rather than by inflections, as is the case in say Russian. Nowadays people in social media "can give you a like", or they can "heart" something. Feels very cloying to me, but no different from the different uses of "effect" mentioned above, or when we "dog" someone, or describe skmething as "goosed", or when we "don't give a f***". Nothing wrong there.
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| Harpo Oxfordshire 20 Aug 18 12.47am |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
It's a feature of English that we can take a word from one part of speech and just start using it as another without further ado. That's because it's a very analytic language, in which grammatical relationships between words are expressed by word order rather than by inflections, as is the case in say Russian. Nowadays people in social media "can give you a like", or they can "heart" something. Feels very cloying to me, but no different from the different uses of "effect" mentioned above, or when we "dog" someone, or describe skmething as "goosed", or when we "don't give a f***". It's not rocket surgery is it?
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 31 Aug 18 5.40pm |
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Originally posted by Harpo
It's not rocket surgery is it? lettuce hope not
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 01 Sep 18 7.43am |
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One of the human species' finest achievements. From cave paintings, hieroglyphics, the social commentary of Dickens and Shakespeare,.....now reduced to C U lta @ 8 or, even better I was their and saw there goal waznt a goal.
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| Midlands Eagle 01 Sep 18 9.10am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I was their and saw there goal waznt a goal. Language is on a downward spiral. You refer to caveman drawings but even in those far off days there would have been some cavemen who were better at drawing than others and it's the same with language skills as some are better educated than others. Language is constantly evolving and having kindly donated the English language to the Americans they mangled it all up and we now seem keen to adopt their mangled version. I blame Friends
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| Matov 01 Sep 18 11.43am |
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Key to improving language skills lays in looking at what you ingest. What do you listen to? What do you read? I am convinced it boils down to a case of osmosis. Listen to Radio 4 or search out podcasts that interest/challenge you. Ditto with books and magazines. Read the broadsheets or whatever version is left of them online. Vocabulary is also a crucial factor. That does not mean you need to look for multiple words when one will suffice but by having a wider understanding of the language you increase your ability to express yourself. And understand English is a 'b******' language. It steals, adapts and generally ruins far purer tounges. It is meant to be flexible. Revel in that. I love foreign expressions that have no equivalent in English. Always worth keeping an ear or eye out for those. This is worth a listen... Edited by Matov (01 Sep 2018 11.57am)
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| chateauferret 03 Sep 18 9.59pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
One of the human species' finest achievements. From cave paintings, hieroglyphics, the social commentary of Dickens and Shakespeare,.....now reduced to C U lta @ 8 or, even better I was their and saw there goal waznt a goal.
Have you seen how many people reckon "of" is an auxiliary verb which forms compound conditionl past tenses of modal verbs? In other words they write things like "he explained why he should of kicked it". Although the equivalent in German is far more complex their speakers are good at avoiding the multiple opportunities for error in "er hat erklärt, warum er das hätte kicken sollen". The inaccuracies of many native English speakers are at once a disgrace and the reason why our language changes so rapidly (you can mangle it horribly and get away with it). One day "of" really will be an auxiliary verb FFS.
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 04 Sep 18 4.55pm |
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no it won't, however people will be able to say they're bored 'of' something (which most naturally do) rather than bored 'with', which is formally correct but jars a little more than 'of' in this example to my ear at any rate
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