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 Badger11  Beckenham 15 Dec 19 11.51am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Belief what you wish. All I will say is that if you think Boris Johnson is on the side of ordinary people in this country, the next 5 years will be a massive disappointment for you. I'm not sure any politician is on the side of ordinary people. However for many the fear of Corbyn and McDonnell meant they either stayed away or voted Tory. Johnson has no excuses he's been given the keys to the kingdom if he mucks up he only has himself to blame. My guess is that we will follow a steady as she goes middle of the road policy. Some will think he is not doing enough but the alternative was very radical and people got scared. Most people want more money for the NHS and the police etc. However to pay for that you have to have a well run economy and I think most people didn't believe Labour could do that this. Some of Labour's policies had traction but to sum up my feelings "too much too soon".
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cryrst  The garden of England 15 Dec 19 6.08pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Belief what you wish. All I will say is that if you think Boris Johnson is on the side of ordinary people in this country, the next 5 years will be a massive disappointment for you. We had the chance to redistribute some wealth after 40 years of it mainly going to the top. We failed. Time to move on and try again, but better this time. Define distribution of wealth.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 16 Dec 19 1.40am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Define distribution of wealth. Ok... At least since the mid-70s, assets as opposed to labour has determined your wealth. Thomas Picketty has written extensively on this: that across the world, governments have aided those who own property to simply accumulate wealth off that ownership to the point that they need not work on top of it. They have helped do this through cutting top rates of tax, relaxing laws on property and selling off enormous parts of the state to create yet more assets for the wealthiest in society. So those who have, have found it easier and easier to get richer. This has a negative result however. As their share of the pie has increased, those born without assets have seen theirs go down. Even if you work incredibly hard and try to do the right thing with your money, it has become harder for you to gain wealth as value is based in assets, which are getting more and more costly, and you don't have any. So the people who own property make money off you for, say, renting out a house or taking a loan, which you have to do, but these things which you are working for are making you poorer. This is why we have seen such enormous levels of inequality blossom in that time. Why where I work in East London, there are now enough skyscrapers to rival Manhattan, yet I'm teaching kids underneath them who turn up without food or clean clothes. What would Labour have done? Well they would've at least attempted to stem this tide. Raise things like corporation tax to levels similar to other G7 nations, use that money to invest in affordable social housing, and enhance legislation which stops individuals and companies from monopolizing areas of the economy. Would it have been enough? IMO they were fairly conservative commitments in the manifesto but of course anything like this is portrayed by the media as basically Communism so it didn't have the popular support it needed.
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| matthau South Croydon 16 Dec 19 6.15am |
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Well said serial Nothing worse that working class tories Misguided Watch what happens to the nhs over a three year period now They’ll not do it straight away, to blatant.
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| Jacey 16 Dec 19 9.48am |
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Corbin steps down ready for his next leadership role where a vacancy currently exists and certainly requires his much acclaimed expertise..... Manager of Arsenal!!
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 16 Dec 19 9.49am |
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I'm sure that Corbyn means well but we was never going to get elected. He should have stuck to the back benches where he didn't have to compromise his ideals. After years of austerity and coming up against Johnson, Labour should have walked the last election. He should have gone after the last election defeat but hang on as he did better than anyone expected. The media made Ed Miliband to be a Marxist, they were always going to be against Corbyn who probably was one. No doubt Angela Rayner or whoever the Labour leader is, will also be labelled similarly in the media.
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| Goal Machine The Cronx 16 Dec 19 9.59am |
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Originally posted by Jacey
Corbin steps down ready for his next leadership role where a vacancy currently exists and certainly requires his much acclaimed expertise..... Manager of Arsenal!! I think you're onto something here. - Islington north MP, local lad Seems a perfect fit
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 16 Dec 19 11.21am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
What would Labour have done? Well they would've at least attempted to stem this tide. . impressive skyscrapers with poverty in their shadows. Sounds like Johannesburg. Labour would have exacerbated the problem.
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| pw1965 16 Dec 19 11.51am |
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Well said! Definitely nothing worse than a working class Tory. As an aside, why are so many football supporters right wing, often bordering on Fascism? Originally posted by serial thriller
Ok... At least since the mid-70s, assets as opposed to labour has determined your wealth. Thomas Picketty has written extensively on this: that across the world, governments have aided those who own property to simply accumulate wealth off that ownership to the point that they need not work on top of it. They have helped do this through cutting top rates of tax, relaxing laws on property and selling off enormous parts of the state to create yet more assets for the wealthiest in society. So those who have, have found it easier and easier to get richer. This has a negative result however. As their share of the pie has increased, those born without assets have seen theirs go down. Even if you work incredibly hard and try to do the right thing with your money, it has become harder for you to gain wealth as value is based in assets, which are getting more and more costly, and you don't have any. So the people who own property make money off you for, say, renting out a house or taking a loan, which you have to do, but these things which you are working for are making you poorer. This is why we have seen such enormous levels of inequality blossom in that time. Why where I work in East London, there are now enough skyscrapers to rival Manhattan, yet I'm teaching kids underneath them who turn up without food or clean clothes. What would Labour have done? Well they would've at least attempted to stem this tide. Raise things like corporation tax to levels similar to other G7 nations, use that money to invest in affordable social housing, and enhance legislation which stops individuals and companies from monopolizing areas of the economy. Would it have been enough? IMO they were fairly conservative commitments in the manifesto but of course anything like this is portrayed by the media as basically Communism so it didn't have the popular support it needed.
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| dreamwaverider London 16 Dec 19 2.45pm |
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Socialism Marxism is soooo passé.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Dec 19 5.06pm |
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Originally posted by pw1965
Well said! Definitely nothing worse than a working class Tory. As an aside, why are so many football supporters right wing, often bordering on Fascism? I'm saluting and clicking my heels whilst my Prince-nez have nearly fallen off with rage. I'm off to take it all out on some lowly untermenschen.
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