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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 May 21 8.01am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

After his name appeared in the Panama papers in 2017 another or possibly the same issue for the resident BBC Woke mouthpiece.

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I have no idea about the legalities of him using IR35 a court will decide that but morally it is plan wrong. His status at the BBC is self employed hence IR35.

A plumber is self employed going from one job to the next Mr Linker has been employed by the BBC since 1999 I think most of us would term that as employee.

Now if Mr Lineker is hired for a one off job such as a TV advert I think you can call that self employed so part of his earning could be IR35.

HMRC needs to get to grips with IR35 there is widespread abuse in the entertainment world and the business world. It's not just the staff employers are also forcing people into that as it saves them employer NI contributions.

HMRC needs to define by sector who qualifies as self employed. As for Gary perhaps we could start a funding page to hep him out I mean it's not like he's spent his career sucking on the taxpayer's teat.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 May 21 8.13am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Top celebrity hypocrite. I hope he falls. I doubt it though. His worshippers are too thick, whether they’re wokies or armchair football gazers.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 07 May 21 8.16am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

The criteria are relatively clear and have not changed in decades despite the rhetoric

I have won significant cases of this type against HMRC and also the Spanish tax authorities. They struggle to understand their own rules

On the other hand, as an outsider it doesn’t look like lineker is clearly outside IR35. Time to get the popcorn out.

 

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View robdave2k's Profile robdave2k Flag 07 May 21 8.49am Send a Private Message to robdave2k Add robdave2k as a friend

It’s the fact Lineker used Tax Avoidance Schemes on top of this to mitigate tax further that is the bit that leaves a bad taste.

The operating through his own company may well have been forced on him by the BBC and to then stick him with the employment NI element is unfair.

IR35 is a nice idea badly executed - repeatedly.. HMRC knew about this for 20 odd years and sat on their hands. It’s also the thin end of the wedge - this has knock on effects for a lot of people further down the chain who may have been forced to use their own company. (Agency Staff, Nurses, Social Workers)

That said on a personal level I hope they nail big ears to the wall - the prancing hypocrite.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 May 21 9.00am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

In the US the IRS got Congress to pass a law that any tax avoidance scheme has to be approved by them. So if a clever accountant comes up with a wheeze he has to get it approved by the IRS.

We need something similar over here. The default should be if in doubt check before you proceed and get HMRC approval. It would save a lot of pain for the taxpayer and also the person involved would know that what they are doing is legal.

Obviously this type of thing would impact impact a minority of people as the rules for the rest of us are pretty clear.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 07 May 21 9.19am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

The criteria are relatively clear and have not changed in decades despite the rhetoric

I have won significant cases of this type against HMRC and also the Spanish tax authorities. They struggle to understand their own rules

On the other hand, as an outsider it doesn’t look like lineker is clearly outside IR35. Time to get the popcorn out.

The whole issue seems ridiculously complicated, interesting the some “celebs” have been successful whilst others failed. It would seem Lineker admits”owing some”. Get the popcorn out indeed

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 07 May 21 9.52am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

In the US the IRS got Congress to pass a law that any tax avoidance scheme has to be approved by them. So if a clever accountant comes up with a wheeze he has to get it approved by the IRS.

We need something similar over here. The default should be if in doubt check before you proceed and get HMRC approval. It would save a lot of pain for the taxpayer and also the person involved would know that what they are doing is legal.

Obviously this type of thing would impact impact a minority of people as the rules for the rest of us are pretty clear.

The IRS is worse by far than HMRC. And in the US you also have State and City taxes. Crossing State boundaries is a nightmare.

The problem largely is that HMRC hires low capability people and those that are able tend to jump sides and work in tax planning.

For example, only two people in HMRC understand how it works if you do some work in Jersey and some on the mainland. And one of those is on long-term sick leave with stress.

Edited by Mapletree (07 May 2021 9.54am)

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 07 May 21 9.53am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

If he loses his home will that make the asylum seeker he took in homeless?

Or will a homeless person take him in?

And I'm not getting the popcorn out. I've a MASSIVE bag of Walkers though.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 May 21 10.26am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

The IRS is worse by far than HMRC. And in the US you also have State and City taxes. Crossing State boundaries is a nightmare.

The problem largely is that HMRC hires low capability people and those that are able tend to jump sides and work in tax planning.

For example, only two people in HMRC understand how it works if you do some work in Jersey and some on the mainland. And one of those is on long-term sick leave with stress.

Edited by Mapletree (07 May 2021 9.54am)

Yup I get that because if you are any good you work on the other side. That's why I made my suggestion accountants will always push the envelope but if they are required to get approval both they and their clients will know what they are getting into and HMRC has to decide if it wants to fight a scheme or not.

The other thing to do is to simplify the tax system the more complicated it is the more it favours the tax dodgers. Dumb it down so you don't need rocket scientists at HMRC just good people.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 May 21 10.27am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

If he loses his home will that make the asylum seeker he took in homeless?

Or will a homeless person take him in?

And I'm not getting the popcorn out. I've a MASSIVE bag of Walkers though.

I believe said gentleman stayed a Chez Gary for a number of weeks we on the other hand will have to support him for a lifetime.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 07 May 21 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup I get that because if you are any good you work on the other side. That's why I made my suggestion accountants will always push the envelope but if they are required to get approval both they and their clients will know what they are getting into and HMRC has to decide if it wants to fight a scheme or not.

The other thing to do is to simplify the tax system the more complicated it is the more it favours the tax dodgers. Dumb it down so you don't need rocket scientists at HMRC just good people.

We operate on common law not a Napoleonic system. You can’t legislate for every twist and turn.

 

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jeeagles Flag 07 May 21 1.43pm

It's strange that the tories are putting in IR35.

Contracting was rife under Labour and they did nothing about it. Just like Buy-to-lets.

Can't blame the people who use the system to their own advantage. It's entirely within the rules. Unless they are a preachy gobs***e.

 

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