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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 22 11.25am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

UK politics has never been pretty or scandal-free. However, I think what Boris Johnson did during his tenure as PM (and even before that, as Mayor for London) took the UK to a new low of what is acceptable.
He gave the Tories the self-belief that they could do anything in Government. And not always in a good way.

Now, without his leadership and Charisma, the Government seem (and indeed are) totally clueless. Their inadequacies are exposed for all to see, and the population are suffering.

And things are going to get worse. The new laws introduced this year are part of a clampdown on potential protests. The Tories are quietly bracing themselves and seeking to minimalise civil unrest.
[Link]
"Police chiefs will be able to put more conditions on static protests, such as those organised by Extinction Rebellion where roads and bridges are occupied. They will be able to:

Impose a start and finish time
Set noise limits
Apply these rules to a demonstration by just one person
So if a single individual was holding a placard while sharing their views via a loudspeaker, and refused to follow police directions about how they should conduct their protest, they could be fined up to £2,500.

It will also become a crime to fail to follow restrictions the protesters "ought" to have known about, even if they have not received a direct order from an officer."

I am not so sure about this.

Whilst protesting and having your voice heard is a precious right, others also have rights not to be impacted by you. As some of the tactics now being employed go well beyond having your voice heard, but are designed to disrupt the lives of others, it seems appropriate to draw some lines.

I have never, for instance, been supportive of the direct action employed by the likes of Green Peace. I support their objectives but not the way they try to achieve them.

Expecting our over stretched police forces to be spending time dealing with such people seems a total nonsense when they cannot respond effectively to real crimes.

 


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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 18 Oct 22 11.53am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Boris was ousted more because of Brexit than what he presided over.
He was badly advised on top of that just to make things worse.
No one tried to get Blair out of power when he took us into a war under false pretences and lies - but Boris does a few things wrong and everyone comes down on him.
In any event, there are many Tories who want back into the EU and they will sacrifice their own party to do so.
It is utter madness but that is the way that i see it.
Changing tack to the economy - I cannot defend Truss and co but you need to look at a lot of other stuff to see why it is all tanking - all the way back to Gordon Brown and the damage he did to pensions 20 or so years ago and LDI's - [Link]
There was a great article at the weekend (not the link above) about the fact that Pensions are at the heart of everything wrong right now - together with the Bank of England.
I don't understand it all as such but whilst Truss & Co should have looked a little harder at the finances before talking bulls*** it is clear that 20 years or more of poor work by pension funds and little regulatory control have not helped matters.
The funds are in the poop and Andrew Bailey has basically told them that they have brought it on themselves and as of last Friday they are on their own.
Look up Bill Galvin - his rise and what part he has played.
Truss & Co were silly to think that they could do what they did but neither they nor the Government are 100% responsible for everything right now - it is a worse mess than they or any other party could deal with sadly.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Oct 22 12.05pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Boris was ousted more because of Brexit than what he presided over.
He was badly advised on top of that just to make things worse.
No one tried to get Blair out of power when he took us into a war under false pretences and lies - but Boris does a few things wrong and everyone comes down on him.
In any event, there are many Tories who want back into the EU and they will sacrifice their own party to do so.
It is utter madness but that is the way that i see it.
Changing tack to the economy - I cannot defend Truss and co but you need to look at a lot of other stuff to see why it is all tanking - all the way back to Gordon Brown and the damage he did to pensions 20 or so years ago and LDI's - [Link]
There was a great article at the weekend (not the link above) about the fact that Pensions are at the heart of everything wrong right now - together with the Bank of England.
I don't understand it all as such but whilst Truss & Co should have looked a little harder at the finances before talking bulls*** it is clear that 20 years or more of poor work by pension funds and little regulatory control have not helped matters.
The funds are in the poop and Andrew Bailey has basically told them that they have brought it on themselves and as of last Friday they are on their own.
Look up Bill Galvin - his rise and what part he has played.
Truss & Co were silly to think that they could do what they did but neither they nor the Government are 100% responsible for everything right now - it is a worse mess than they or any other party could deal with sadly.

Where’s the article?

I think the culture of lying passed on is evident during this. The excuses, whataboutery and others who should be to blame doesn’t wash unless you’re stupid or staunch Tory no matter what.

 


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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 18 Oct 22 12.20pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Sadly it is on a subscription page only - I will try and get it and download it.
Well worth a read - I was gobsmacked by it to be honest

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 18 Oct 22 12.23pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Found it.
I know it is the Mail but it is not having a go at Labour or defending Truss & Co either.

[Link]

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 18 Oct 22 12.24pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

It's a peculiar set of circumstances we have at the moment. Everything has gone to 5hlt. And yet we have politicians who don't appear to want to Govern. Things look a "bit too tricky", as politicians in Governance, may actually have to do some work.

The Tories or Labour seem devoid of any appetite to be in government.

 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 18 Oct 22 12.30pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

If they called a snap election now - which I would do if I were in charge - then Labour would also be in deep poop as they wouldn't have a clue either.
The Tories might as well get it over and done with otherwise they could be out of power for a long time.
Act now and they would really Kier & Co in trouble.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 18 Oct 22 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Found it.
I know it is the Mail but it is not having a go at Labour or defending Truss & Co either.

[Link]

A really interesting article. I'm sure other aspects of financial (mis)management are also impacting the economy, but the numbers in the Pension funds are truly mooohsive. (or rather,...WERE)

 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Oct 22 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There is a huge difference between being economical with the truth (not necessarily telling everyone, everything) and telling outright lies.

Who runs for the Democrats in 2024 is of critical importance. I expect, and hope, that they will choose a completely clean slate. I like Harris, but she has been damaged by the constant character assassination. Biden won't run, of that I am sure. I hope they find a youthful, charismatic and probably female personality that people can believe in.

Biden isn't some sort of master statesman. He's a doddering old fool who can't find his own way in stage to misread his cue cards.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Oct 22 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The suggestion challenged was that there was a majority of the people in favour. All I was questioning was the wider truth of that, not whether in the method used there was.

As no referendum is part of our democratic system it cannot be claimed that a majority of us decided. When our MPs endorsed the decision (which for me was bottling their actual responsibility to vote with their consciences) was when it became democratic.

How do you know how either Greece or Italy would be performing if they were outside the EU?

Is your contention that they'd be doing better outside the EU? If so then why shouldn't we?

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 18 Oct 22 12.39pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

It runs along the lines of "things can't possibly go wrong can they"?
People in charge not taking the right and tough decisions when they should and allowing huge financial institutions to do what they want regardless of the consequences.
Everything comes home to roost at some point and we are at that point right now.

Edited by The Dolphin (18 Oct 2022 12.39pm)

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 18 Oct 22 12.43pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The suggestion challenged was that there was a majority of the people in favour. All I was questioning was the wider truth of that, not whether in the method used there was.

As no referendum is part of our democratic system it cannot be claimed that a majority of us decided. When our MPs endorsed the decision (which for me was bottling their actual responsibility to vote with their consciences) was when it became democratic.

How do you know how either Greece or Italy would be performing if they were outside the EU?

Greece or Italy can never leave the EU but I bet they wish they had never joined.
Their economies have always fluctuated wildly but by joining the EU they got bailed out and now have a debt that they can never repay.
Germany (and France) want everyone along for the ride and will do whatever it takes to keep them there.
Only a Country with a strong economy can get out really - ours was strong but covid and a war have dealt with that!

 

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