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View manwitheagletattoo's Profile manwitheagletattoo Flag Somewhere in England 10 Aug 23 8.09am Send a Private Message to manwitheagletattoo Add manwitheagletattoo as a friend

First of all this is not about Palace but Chelsea. Can anyone explain to me how after being fined £8.6m for breaches of the FFP which in my eyes is a pathetic amount for a club who’s owners think that splashing the cash is the solutions to everything for success. A few years back Man City were fined for doing the same thing but it really does seems to be a case of who cares, pay it and carry on. I know other factors are taken into account attendance turnover but it seems that the top 5/8 clubs can abuse the system no end and get away with it.
On the other hand a club like Palace who have to watch and control every penny in the transfer market the slightest breach and the FA would be rubbing their hands in glee and flexing their muscles making a prim example of their power.
I would really like to se a real tightening of the law if a club like Chelsea break the FFP ruling a ban and fine should be the minimum starting point.

 


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I saw an article not so long ago where one of the European clubs
was being punished for something (not a big name club) an official from the club was quoted as making the statement (along the lines of)

When considering punishments against its members UEFA are weak with the strong & strong with the weak.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 10 Aug 23 9.30am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by manwitheagletattoo

First of all this is not about Palace but Chelsea. Can anyone explain to me how after being fined £8.6m for breaches of the FFP which in my eyes is a pathetic amount for a club who’s owners think that splashing the cash is the solutions to everything for success. A few years back Man City were fined for doing the same thing but it really does seems to be a case of who cares, pay it and carry on. I know other factors are taken into account attendance turnover but it seems that the top 5/8 clubs can abuse the system no end and get away with it.
On the other hand a club like Palace who have to watch and control every penny in the transfer market the slightest breach and the FA would be rubbing their hands in glee and flexing their muscles making a prim example of their power.
I would really like to se a real tightening of the law if a club like Chelsea break the FFP ruling a ban and fine should be the minimum starting point.

Swindon got relegated because of tax fraud.

Shortly afterwards Man United admitted to the same "clerical errors" paid a fine to HMRC and got off scot free with the FA as did numerous other big clubs.

The cynical might suggest that HMRC and the FA went after the little fish rather than picking on the big well funded culprits.

If you are cynical about football that is

 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 10 Aug 23 10.00am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

The notion of having to pay a fine, when the crime was spending too much money is clearly very silly

AS the OP said, what's £8.6m to Chelsea.

It simply has to be non-financial penalties e.g. points

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 10 Aug 23 11.10am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

The notion of having to pay a fine, when the crime was spending too much money is clearly very silly

AS the OP said, what's £8.6m to Chelsea.

It simply has to be non-financial penalties e.g. points

I agree with you MrRobbo, financial penalties do seem ludicrous when you consider the phenomenal wealth of some clubs. Points deductions, suspension or relegation would surely be more of a deterrent.

Manchester City's ongoing investigation is a complicated one and will apparently drag on for a long while before a decision is reached. It'll be very interesting to see the extent of their punishment, if any, when a conclusion is finally reached.

The general concept of trying to establish a more equitable way for clubs to behave financially is solid enough, but the penalties don't seem to fit the crime.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 10 Aug 23 11.26am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

The notion of having to pay a fine, when the crime was spending too much money is clearly very silly

AS the OP said, what's £8.6m to Chelsea.

It simply has to be non-financial penalties e.g. points

Absolutely. Palace got docked 10 points for owing less than 5% of Arsenal's net spend in the last 5 years. City are facing 115 counts of breaching FFP rules.
Fining a club as rich as them is just a joke.

 

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Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I saw an article not so long ago where one of the European clubs
was being punished for something (not a big name club) an official from the club was quoted as making the statement (along the lines of)

When considering punishments against its members UEFA are weak with the strong & strong with the weak.

Juventus, they are banned from Europe 23/24, the old lady is weeping.

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Juventus, they are banned from Europe 23/24, the old lady is weeping.

Big fine suits all doesn’t it. Suits Chelsea. They can pay it. Suits the FA. They get 8.6m and are all buying Rolex watches this weekend. Suits the Premier League officials because it doesn’t tarnish the competition this year…and Chelsea would be seen as a high value product of the league.

I agree with what everyone else has said. If it were a lower value product, I.E. someone like ourselves, then what would the punishment be???

 

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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 10 Aug 23 1.06pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

The big teams get away with this for many different reasons here is a few.

1. legal team which fights it.
2. A lot of the owners have influence on political stage
3. It's delayed if you use Man City for example and they breach it for all seasons they won title it looks terrible for the sport plus how do you undone that you can't.
4. The rules are not black & white this again opens it up (1)

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Juventus, they are banned from Europe 23/24, the old lady is weeping.

Considering they broke the rules over multiple seasons and winning trophies they got away lightly.

Edited by Badger11 (10 Aug 2023 2.51pm)

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Aug 23 5.15pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I presume Saudi teams aren't subject to it.

 


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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 10 Aug 23 5.22pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I presume Saudi teams aren't subject to it.


Nope too much influence.

FFP on paper sounds like a good idea but it really is just for show.

It tends to keep the smaller teams small and the big teams in the the top position.

The lower leagues do tend to hit clubs harder as well.

 


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