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Teddy Eagle 07 Nov 23 5.03pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Great analysis. Wasn't it TV, Pundits, Managers, FANS & finally players who ALL wanted this, look where we are, mayhem, distrust, & enjoyment out the window When it was initially talked about it seemed like a way of making things a bit fairer by helping with Big Club bias but it's become something else. The time added is another element -:when the ball is only in play for about 45 minutes adding another ten or more with the players standing around getting cold is no good.
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Teddy Eagle

07 Nov 23 5.03pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Great analysis.
Wasn't it TV, Pundits, Managers, FANS & finally players who ALL wanted this, look where we are, mayhem, distrust, & enjoyment out the window

When it was initially talked about it seemed like a way of making things a bit fairer by helping with Big Club bias but it's become something else. The time added is another element -:when the ball is only in play for about 45 minutes adding another ten or more with the players standing around getting cold is no good.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Nov 23 5.19pm
In terms of "Clear and obvious", in testing there was no unanimity with different VARs forming different opinions due to the 'Subjectivity' aspect of the decision making. In terms of the VAR it is not a question of "Do I think the decision is right or wrong?" but, "Does the decision of the referee constitute a clear and obvious error?" VAR was never going to be a panacea - what is irksome to supporters are the breaks in play whist decisions are forensically analysed for in some cases what appears an eternity and the fact that one has to wait to see if a goal has been scored or not. Edited by Willo (07 Nov 2023 6.00pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Nov 23 5.19pm

In terms of "Clear and obvious", in testing there was no unanimity with different VARs forming different opinions due to the 'Subjectivity' aspect of the decision making.

In terms of the VAR it is not a question of "Do I think the decision is right or wrong?" but, "Does the decision of the referee constitute a clear and obvious error?"

VAR was never going to be a panacea - what is irksome to supporters are the breaks in play whist decisions are forensically analysed for in some cases what appears an eternity and the fact that one has to wait to see if a goal has been scored or not.

Edited by Willo (07 Nov 2023 6.00pm)

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Elpis In a pub 07 Nov 23 7.47pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle I was asking because you said it Would lead to poor decisions at the end of games when teams have run out of 'challenges '. If the challenges were upheld they'd still be available. It works pretty well in cricket for wrong L.B.W. and caught behind decisions. Sorry I thought you said goals Cricket is a different sport based on appeals to the umpire not referees who make decisions without prompting So if the challenges are not upheld you go back to the refs decision is final with no help from VAR if there is dodgy situation and if they are upheld you get continuous challenges . As I said chaos And we still need a striker
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Elpis

In a pub 07 Nov 23 7.47pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I was asking because you said it Would lead to poor decisions at the end of games when teams have run out of 'challenges '.
If the challenges were upheld they'd still be available. It works pretty well in cricket for wrong L.B.W. and caught behind decisions.

Sorry I thought you said goals

Cricket is a different sport based on appeals to the umpire not referees who make decisions without prompting
So if the challenges are not upheld you go back to the refs decision is final with no help from VAR if there is dodgy situation and if they are upheld you get continuous challenges . As I said chaos

And we still need a striker

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Teddy Eagle 07 Nov 23 11.03pm
AI to the rescue. [Link]
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Teddy Eagle

07 Nov 23 11.03pm

AI to the rescue.

[Link]

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Elpis In a pub 08 Nov 23 5.51am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle AI to the rescue. [Link] There will be robots playing the game before we know it ,do you think we will get a decent centre forward And we still need a striker
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Elpis

In a pub 08 Nov 23 5.51am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

AI to the rescue.

[Link]

There will be robots playing the game before we know it ,do you think we will get a decent centre forward

And we still need a striker

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Teddy Eagle 08 Nov 23 7.13am
Originally posted by Elpis There will be robots playing the game before we know it ,do you think we will get a decent centre forward More likely everyone else will have shape shifting Terminators and we'll get R2-D2 and a busted down Robbie the Robot.
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Teddy Eagle

08 Nov 23 7.13am

Originally posted by Elpis

There will be robots playing the game before we know it ,do you think we will get a decent centre forward

More likely everyone else will have shape shifting Terminators and we'll get R2-D2 and a busted down Robbie the Robot.

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Spiderman Horsham 08 Nov 23 7.34am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle More likely everyone else will have shape shifting Terminators and we'll get R2-D2 and a busted down Robbie the Robot. Surely given our name, we would sign CP3O
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Spiderman

Horsham 08 Nov 23 7.34am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

More likely everyone else will have shape shifting Terminators and we'll get R2-D2 and a busted down Robbie the Robot.

Surely given our name, we would sign CP3O

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Teddy Eagle 08 Nov 23 7.36am
Originally posted by Spiderman Surely given our name, we would sign CP3O He's more mobile than some we've had.
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Teddy Eagle

08 Nov 23 7.36am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Surely given our name, we would sign CP3O

He's more mobile than some we've had.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Nov 23 3.05pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Surely given our name, we would sign CP3O I think our policy veers away from signings 30+. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Nov 23 3.05pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Surely given our name, we would sign CP3O

I think our policy veers away from signings 30+.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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YT Oxford 08 Nov 23 6.04pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Surely given our name, we would sign CP3O Couldn't we upgrade to CP1861 ? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 08 Nov 23 6.04pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Surely given our name, we would sign CP3O

Couldn't we upgrade to CP1861 ?

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Nov 23 10.15am
The view of Neil Warnock : VAR is killing the PL with the way it’s implemented. The unique joy for players/fans when a goal is scored has gone It’s making referees lazy and unaccountable It’s overused and making the game feel artificial For me, the @EFL is much more enjoyable to watch without VAR.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Nov 23 10.15am

The view of Neil Warnock :

VAR is killing the PL with the way it’s implemented.

The unique joy for players/fans when a goal is scored has gone

It’s making referees lazy and unaccountable

It’s overused and making the game feel artificial

For me, the @EFL is much more enjoyable to watch without VAR.

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Teddy Eagle 09 Nov 23 10.34am
Originally posted by Willo The view of Neil Warnock : VAR is killing the PL with the way it’s implemented. The unique joy for players/fans when a goal is scored has gone It’s making referees lazy and unaccountable It’s overused and making the game feel artificial For me, the @EFL is much more enjoyable to watch without VAR. Hard to disagree with any of those points. The way VAR is implemented in European competitions seems to be a lot better than in England both in the way it's implemented and the time it takes.
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Teddy Eagle

09 Nov 23 10.34am

Originally posted by Willo

The view of Neil Warnock :

VAR is killing the PL with the way it’s implemented.

The unique joy for players/fans when a goal is scored has gone

It’s making referees lazy and unaccountable

It’s overused and making the game feel artificial

For me, the @EFL is much more enjoyable to watch without VAR.

Hard to disagree with any of those points.
The way VAR is implemented in European competitions seems to be a lot better than in England both in the way it's implemented and the time it takes.

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