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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 31 Oct 23 12.37pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Davepalace707

Question - which is most likely?

1. A finished new main stand
2. Buying a 15 goal a season striker

You might as well ask: Which is more likely?

1. Me winning the Euromillions on Friday
2. Me having a threesome with Rachel Riley and Ariana Grande on Friday.

 


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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 31 Oct 23 2.09pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by YT

You might as well ask: Which is more likely?

1. Me winning the Euromillions on Friday
2. Me having a threesome with Rachel Riley and Ariana Grande on Friday.

you're quite right, A Threesome with those two is much More likely to happen on a Saturday

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 31 Oct 23 2.39pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

I don't think it is possible to piece together the club's transfer 'strategy' from the list of players we signed, or even from the list of positions where an upgrade was not signed.

We would need to see the list of players the club enquired about and/or tried to sign but ultimately did not, the proportion of our budget we were prepared to commit to the fee and wages, plus understand the reason each of those deals did not progress in order to understand the club's priorities. We don't have that information, and never will.

None of us know if the club, for example, went hell-for-leather in pursuit of a new right-back only for that player to get a better offer at the last minute. Or if we were in advanced talks with two right backs, one as backup to the other. Or three. Or ten, only for all of them to knock us back, or ask for silly money, or move somewhere else, or get injured. The absence of a new right-back alone tells you nothing about what the club wanted to do, tried to do, how hard they tried etc.

The best we can see is general trends over the medium term. It seems evident that, generally speaking, we have moved from spending money we don't really have on established top-flight players with European experience (Cabeye, Sakho, Benteke, PVA etc) to having no money to spend (the original Roy years) to signing young players with potential sell-on value that will have to be sold sooner or later (Olise, Eze, Dacoure, Guehi etc).

Outside of overall trends, an opportunity to sign someone might be attractive for any number of reasons. Like most, I've no idea why we signed Henderson, for instance, but then I don't work at the club in a senior position. Maybe Johnstone wants to leave. Maybe the club think one or other goalie can be sold at a profit somewhere down the road. Maybe they just feel that, following Guiata's tantrum, having two top-class keepers is essential and couldn't get a cheaper one. Christ knows. One thing is for sure though, the thought process will not be the same as that which led to the signing of Lerma, which in turn will not be the same as the thinking behind signing Franca. Each deal will have its own set of circumstances, and may or may not adhere to the general trend.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (31 Oct 2023 2.46pm)

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 31 Oct 23 3.03pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I don't think it is possible to piece together the club's transfer 'strategy' from the list of players we signed, or even from the list of positions where an upgrade was not signed.

We would need to see the list of players the club enquired about and/or tried to sign but ultimately did not, the proportion of our budget we were prepared to commit to the fee and wages, plus understand the reason each of those deals did not progress in order to understand the club's priorities. We don't have that information, and never will.

None of us know if the club, for example, went hell-for-leather in pursuit of a new right-back only for that player to get a better offer at the last minute. Or if we were in advanced talks with two right backs, one as backup to the other. Or three. Or ten, only for all of them to knock us back, or ask for silly money, or move somewhere else, or get injured. The absence of a new right-back alone tells you nothing about what the club wanted to do, tried to do, how hard they tried etc.

The best we can see is general trends over the medium term. It seems evident that, generally speaking, we have moved from spending money we don't really have on established top-flight players with European experience (Cabeye, Sakho, Benteke, PVA etc) to having no money to spend (the original Roy years) to signing young players with potential sell-on value that will have to be sold sooner or later (Olise, Eze, Dacoure, Guehi etc).

Outside of overall trends, an opportunity to sign someone might be attractive for any number of reasons. Like most, I've no idea why we signed Henderson, for instance, but then I don't work at the club in a senior position. Maybe Johnstone wants to leave. Maybe the club think one or other goalie can be sold at a profit somewhere down the road. Maybe they just feel that, following Guiata's tantrum, having two top-class keepers is essential and couldn't get a cheaper one. Christ knows. One thing is for sure though, the thought process will not be the same as that which led to the signing of Lerma, which in turn will not be the same as the thinking behind signing Franca. Each deal will have its own set of circumstances, and may or may not adhere to the general trend.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (31 Oct 2023 2.46pm)

You are right, we don’t know what didn’t occur, but we all know pretty well what actually occurred at the last window and at the previous window and the one before that, ad nauseum. I think we have had 5 possibly 6 windows now in which we have been looking at a RB replacement. Why we haven’t bought Walker-Peters is a bit of a mystery. He would have been perfect for us.

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You are right, we don’t know what didn’t occur, but we all know pretty well what actually occurred at the last window and at the previous window and the one before that, ad nauseum. I think we have had 5 possibly 6 windows now in which we have been looking at a RB replacement. Why we haven’t bought Walker-Peters is a bit of a mystery. He would have been perfect for us.


Leaving aside that we did sign Ferguson, Clyne, and Richards in that time, neither of us know if we did try to sign Walker-Peters, or if we did, how hard we tried, or why we didn't get him. Very hard to be critical of Palace without that information, and that's my point really.

Maybe we did bid for Walker-Peters but were outbid by Southampton, or he wanted to leave London, or they offered more in wages, or he fancied his chances of being first choice for them more than for us.

Maybe the club didn't think much of him (I personally don't). Who knows? Either way, if we are looking for players that were seemingly feasible signings you can take Walker-Peters and times him by at least a hundred over the last few years I'd guess. Each will have a story of its own that we will never know.

 

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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 31 Oct 23 4.24pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

So Sorloth, Mateta, Meyer, to name but 3 of a long list was thinking long term?

They do make mistakes you know and spunking £40+million on an injury prone keeper and an unproven youngster could prove to be the latest in a long list.

If they come good then great, but you can’t call taking a chance, thinking for the future. It’s not like they came to us free of charge.

I think you will also find that the large majority of CEO’s are the most short termist people you’ve ever come across.

Parish has £200 million he must have done something right surely.

 

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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 31 Oct 23 4.53pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

you're quite right, A Threesome with those two is much More likely to happen on a Saturday

Well,your mistake is your nomenclature, the Crazy frog (a much better moniker) has defo done number two.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 31 Oct 23 6.11pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Allegedly Roy is here for this season only. Why therefore would Parish and Co sanction transfer funds in January knowing that there will be a different manager next season, probably with a different tactical outlook?


Edited by southnorwoodhill (31 Oct 2023 6.51pm)

 

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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 31 Oct 23 6.18pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by beak

Parish like most good businessmen is thinking long term,most fans think very short term and thus it will ever be.

Tomkins and Clyne extensions suggest you are wrong

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 31 Oct 23 7.33pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

Tomkins and Clyne extensions suggest you are wrong


Why?
It just as easily (and more likely IMO) says that the club isn't looking to upgrade those two until next season when a new manager may be brought in. For example the new manager may want to play three at the back and ask for wing-backs etc.

Edited by doombear (31 Oct 2023 7.34pm)

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 31 Oct 23 8.45pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Allegedly Roy is here for this season only. Why therefore would Parish and Co sanction transfer funds in January knowing that there will be a different manager next season, probably with a different tactical outlook?


Edited by southnorwoodhill (31 Oct 2023 6.51pm)

It will be Paddy and Ray so no difference really-

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

It will be Paddy and Ray so no difference really-

If so I envisage relegation in a season or two. My reasoning is based partly on Paddy's lack of experience at this level, but mainly on the players available.
I divide the players into two groups: those who are good enough to attract interest from clubs higher up the league, and those who are not.
Of those good enough my contention is that they will ask for a transfer because they are ambitious and have had interest from other clubs. Given that a few will have contracts near expiration the only way CPFC can keep them is by improving their conditions to match what other clubs offer, not only financially, but in terms of the chance to win something, playing in a first rate stadium, playing in Europe etc. Unlikely.
The second group of players is made up of those who make up the numbers. These are divided into players comfortable with their place at CPFC, plodding round for a decent pay packet, and those who can go to to clubs sideways or below.
I am reminded of a reply to a post of mine by Dubai Eagle suggesting we have spent what we have to stand still. Accurate I think, and given so, it is likely we will lose our ambitious best players with no ready replacements available due to lack of finances.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (01 Nov 2023 8.31am)

 

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