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View palacebob's Profile palacebob Flag melton mowbray 21 Jan 24 12.08pm Send a Private Message to palacebob Add palacebob as a friend

Some points are well made on here and generally seems the reason for lack of investment in the team. Is that there is no desire to invest.
Is it realistic to expect investment from the money people that have minimum input.
Not surprised they are looking elsewhere
Are academie players not just for selling on for pure profit to accommodate ffp
Is Roy not in position because of the cost of replacing him.
All managers players and owners are part time participants in any club and often stay longer than they should it is the same in all businesses.
Maybe fans need to be allocated a position on every board to represent the people that will be there when the others are gone.
Deans agent should be approached for advice how he sold him to freeman as a priority is bloody amazing.

 

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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 21 Jan 24 12.50pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Trigger will be pulled. It always is.

We will just call him Dave.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 21 Jan 24 1.36pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

For me the lack of investment chat is a bit lazy.

There has been some investment, just more often than not poor. We managed the Johnstone situation badly, so had to act and spend on Hendo.

The thing I cannot get my head round is the lack of Wilf replacement. Its hard to put into words how good and how important he's been for us. If It was me in DF's position I may have:

Spent all of my budget on as close to a like for like replacement (and assumed that Ayew could fill in when needed)
or
Brought in a senior loan (Harrison) or free (Andros) AND taken a risk on a youngster e.g. Gnoto

Instead we spent half of our budget on a kid who is so raw, it's going to take him a few seasons to bed in (if at all). And spent WAY over market value.

For me its close to gross incompetence

 

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View Canterbury Palace's Profile Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 21 Jan 24 2.24pm Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Our fundamental issues are a low turnover and a tendency towards short-termism, which limits our opportunities for growth.

The chronic fear of relegation that pervades the club, even after 11 years, means that we have shirked difficult decisions which could have pushed us in either direction and are reliant on crutches.

Zaha was one and we seemingly turned down offers for him, feeling that his worth as a player was greater than what we were offered to sell him.

I'm not saying that we should have taken the £40m Arsenal bid but I feel like we priced him too high to ward off any interest. If we'd been more receptive to offers, perhaps we could have got £60m which would have given us funds to reinvest. However, we were too terrified of life without him to consider it.

Roy is another crutch. I felt a palpable sense of relief when he left the first time and knew when he returned that it would never just be for those few months. Despite our current form being as bad as Vieira's when he was sacked, you still sense the board are afraid to get rid.

When we have invested in players in recent years, generally it's gone well. We signed Franca (£15m), Henderson (£15-20m), Holding (£1m), Lerma, (Free), Doucoure (£20m), Richards (£10m), Ahamada (£10m), Johnstone (Free), Guehi (£20m), Anderson (£15m), Edoaurd (£14m), Mateta (£8m), Olise (£7m), Eze (£15m).

Overall this is outstanding business. Of course some of them have done better than others but that's a combined outlay of around £150-160m and how much are they collectively worth now? Eze, Olise and Doucoure alone are probably worth more than that between them.

What we need to do now is be brave and trust ourselves to progress despite making changes.

Roy has to go, that's clear. We need someone younger, more progressive and who is good at working with young players. Potter would be my choice but I think Cooper would be good as well.

We need to invest more in the squad which means selling. Olise will go and it's out of our hands. I think we should consider selling Guehi too, as he has a high market value, we have cover at CB and I actually think that Anderson is more important to how we play.

Any money raised HAS to be invested in the squad. The strategy of signing good young players from the Championship has done so well for us, we'd be made not to carry it on. We have to get out of this scenario where if one or two players get injured our entire season falls apart.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Jan 24 4.03pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

For me the lack of investment chat is a bit lazy.

There has been some investment, just more often than not poor. We managed the Johnstone situation badly, so had to act and spend on Hendo.

The thing I cannot get my head round is the lack of Wilf replacement. Its hard to put into words how good and how important he's been for us. If It was me in DF's position I may have:

Spent all of my budget on as close to a like for like replacement (and assumed that Ayew could fill in when needed)
or
Brought in a senior loan (Harrison) or free (Andros) AND taken a risk on a youngster e.g. Gnoto

Instead we spent half of our budget on a kid who is so raw, it's going to take him a few seasons to bed in (if at all). And spent WAY over market value.

For me its close to gross incompetence

I think the lack of investment moans can be a reflection of poor investment/bizarre decision making anger TBF. Other than that, I might not use the word ‘gross’ but agree with the incompetence. I also think this is where Roy gets dragged into it.

If my best man had hired Bjork to sing at my wedding I’d be furious. If he said ‘there was nothing in the budget and she was all I could afford’ I’d be even more furious to see money spent on a load of food and decorations that weren’t necessary or needed.

There’d be little point directing blame at Bjork, although I’d still rather have anyone else singing, or expressing any shock when she starts singing Bjork songs. I’d be angry at my best man for such a c0ck up. Roy is Bjork here with the board my best man. I do love a wild analogy

Edited by Nicholas91 (21 Jan 2024 4.04pm)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Lombardinho's Profile Lombardinho Flag London 21 Jan 24 5.53pm Send a Private Message to Lombardinho Add Lombardinho as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I think the lack of investment moans can be a reflection of poor investment/bizarre decision making anger TBF. Other than that, I might not use the word ‘gross’ but agree with the incompetence. I also think this is where Roy gets dragged into it.

If my best man had hired Bjork to sing at my wedding I’d be furious. If he said ‘there was nothing in the budget and she was all I could afford’ I’d be even more furious to see money spent on a load of food and decorations that weren’t necessary or needed.

There’d be little point directing blame at Bjork, although I’d still rather have anyone else singing, or expressing any shock when she starts singing Bjork songs. I’d be angry at my best man for such a c0ck up. Roy is Bjork here with the board my best man. I do love a wild analogy

Edited by Nicholas91 (21 Jan 2024 4.04pm)

It's oh so quiet all of a sudden.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Jan 24 6.17pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by beak

We will just call him Dave.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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View Croydon-Trucker's Profile Croydon-Trucker Flag 21 Jan 24 7.30pm Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by Lombardinho

It's oh so quiet all of a sudden.

Yea , I think everyone has vented now , the club will ignore everything and carry on regardless.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jan 24 7.40pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Lombardinho

It's oh so quiet all of a sudden.

The lull before the storm.


 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 21 Jan 24 7.48pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

Our fundamental issues are a low turnover and a tendency towards short-termism, which limits our opportunities for growth.

The chronic fear of relegation that pervades the club, even after 11 years, means that we have shirked difficult decisions which could have pushed us in either direction and are reliant on crutches.

Zaha was one and we seemingly turned down offers for him, feeling that his worth as a player was greater than what we were offered to sell him.

I'm not saying that we should have taken the £40m Arsenal bid but I feel like we priced him too high to ward off any interest. If we'd been more receptive to offers, perhaps we could have got £60m which would have given us funds to reinvest. However, we were too terrified of life without him to consider it.

Roy is another crutch. I felt a palpable sense of relief when he left the first time and knew when he returned that it would never just be for those few months. Despite our current form being as bad as Vieira's when he was sacked, you still sense the board are afraid to get rid.

When we have invested in players in recent years, generally it's gone well. We signed Franca (£15m), Henderson (£15-20m), Holding (£1m), Lerma, (Free), Doucoure (£20m), Richards (£10m), Ahamada (£10m), Johnstone (Free), Guehi (£20m), Anderson (£15m), Edoaurd (£14m), Mateta (£8m), Olise (£7m), Eze (£15m).

Overall this is outstanding business. Of course some of them have done better than others but that's a combined outlay of around £150-160m and how much are they collectively worth now? Eze, Olise and Doucoure alone are probably worth more than that between them.

What we need to do now is be brave and trust ourselves to progress despite making changes.

Roy has to go, that's clear. We need someone younger, more progressive and who is good at working with young players. Potter would be my choice but I think Cooper would be good as well.

We need to invest more in the squad which means selling. Olise will go and it's out of our hands. I think we should consider selling Guehi too, as he has a high market value, we have cover at CB and I actually think that Anderson is more important to how we play.

Any money raised HAS to be invested in the squad. The strategy of signing good young players from the Championship has done so well for us, we'd be made not to carry it on. We have to get out of this scenario where if one or two players get injured our entire season falls apart.

Lack of investment is a bit of a red herring, if you understand the FFP rules, you cant just keep throwing money at buying players. An income has to be generated to be spent and balance the books.
Our current problems date back to when we were buying older players with no resale value, so created a big negative spend. The only players I think we have received a transfer fee for in the last 10 years are AWB, Bolasie, Benteke and Sorloth, just not enough to offset more spending.
Some of our sought after players will need to be sold to invest further in the squad.

 

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View dynamicdick's Profile dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 21 Jan 24 8.12pm Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Lack of investment is a bit of a red herring, if you understand the FFP rules, you cant just keep throwing money at buying players. An income has to be generated to be spent and balance the books.
Our current problems date back to when we were buying older players with no resale value, so created a big negative spend. The only players I think we have received a transfer fee for in the last 10 years are AWB, Bolasie, Benteke and Sorloth, just not enough to offset more spending.
Some of our sought after players will need to be sold to invest further in the squad.

Or to pay back John Textor if he pulls out!

 


Bring back Brolin

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View Canterbury Palace's Profile Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 21 Jan 24 9.56pm Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Lack of investment is a bit of a red herring, if you understand the FFP rules, you cant just keep throwing money at buying players. An income has to be generated to be spent and balance the books.
Our current problems date back to when we were buying older players with no resale value, so created a big negative spend. The only players I think we have received a transfer fee for in the last 10 years are AWB, Bolasie, Benteke and Sorloth, just not enough to offset more spending.
Some of our sought after players will need to be sold to invest further in the squad.

I can't quite tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me but this is the entire point of my post. I said about how we held on to Zaha rather than taking a fee for him and how I think we'll have to sell Olise and Guehi to fund more investment.

 


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