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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 05 Feb 24 9.23pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

No one argues that Parish done a good Job originally, but the outside investment is always on his terms, he doesn't own the club, and the ridiculous voting system has made the board impotent

IIRC SP always made it clear that he saw himself as a custodian of the club and he wouldn't jeopardise the club by handing control to new investors too readily.

Evidence regarding Textor in particular suggests he's been right.

 

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View auk's Profile auk Flag 05 Feb 24 10.18pm Send a Private Message to auk Add auk as a friend

Much of the reason for our current woes is the uncertainty about Roy.

SP could end the endless speculation by stating unequivocally that we’re all in this together and Roy stays until the end of the season.

Instead Roy is shilly-shallying and allowing the media to set the agenda which is demoralising both to Roy and to the team.

Bringing in a new manager at this stage of the season would be reckless beyond belief.

 

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View radicalsteve's Profile radicalsteve Flag ottawa 05 Feb 24 10.49pm Send a Private Message to radicalsteve Add radicalsteve as a friend

20/20 vision in hindsight - if it could have gone wrong this season it has!. Now Jes Rak-Sakyi apparantly limped off this evening after 20 minutes (not clear if it is with another hamstring). In

juries will always be part of the game and now playing 100 minutes or more per game, the speed and physicality in the premier league will reward teams with bench strength, something we totally lack. Effectively we are still a one trick pony and the manager has not been smart enough to plan for contingencies - which would have included giving youngsters more playing time to get them further up to speed, or not. The fact that no-one really knows what Franca is capable of, is a poor indictment of contingency planning.

Also, we clearly don't have a set piece coach - can't even get the throw ins right, let alone defending or attacking corners - shocking statistics.

Not moving on Roy quicker is the board not acting effectively or with courage. Seems our whole identity has gone south!

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 06 Feb 24 10.01am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

IIRC SP always made it clear that he saw himself as a custodian of the club and he wouldn't jeopardise the club by handing control to new investors too readily.

Eevidence regarding Textor in particular suggests he's been right.

He cannot hide behind that one, it was he who choose the investors and gave them the green light to come in at Crystal Palace. The facts are his decision making is likely to cost this club its place in the EPL in the coming weeks unless there is drastic change in our fortunes. He cannot keep dining out on 2010. It's Crystal clear he has used the Club over the years to boost his own image for egotistical reasons as well as paying himself pocket money for not doing such a good job. He is not going to change and this club can only progress if he goes!

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 06 Feb 24 10.39am Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

He cannot hide behind that one, it was he who choose the investors and gave them the green light to come in at Crystal Palace. The facts are his decision making is likely to cost this club its place in the EPL in the coming weeks unless there is drastic change in our fortunes. He cannot keep dining out on 2010. It's Crystal clear he has used the Club over the years to boost his own image for egotistical reasons as well as paying himself pocket money for not doing such a good job. He is not going to change and this club can only progress if he goes!

I don't disagree with what you're saying ..SP has been the architect and I find references back to 2010 equally irritating Just trying to rationalise why we're where we are.

With regard to all three American investors we'd have been back in the Championship a long time ago without their money. At the same time I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with any of them owning / controlling the club.

 

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View CpfcWeTrust1's Profile CpfcWeTrust1 Flag 06 Feb 24 10.54am Send a Private Message to CpfcWeTrust1 Add CpfcWeTrust1 as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

He cannot hide behind that one, it was he who choose the investors and gave them the green light to come in at Crystal Palace. The facts are his decision making is likely to cost this club its place in the EPL in the coming weeks unless there is drastic change in our fortunes. He cannot keep dining out on 2010. It's Crystal clear he has used the Club over the years to boost his own image for egotistical reasons as well as paying himself pocket money for not doing such a good job. He is not going to change and this club can only progress if he goes!

Crystal clear in your own mind... The only thing crystal clear is your distaste of Parish. The devil incarnate, here to make sure he does a terrible job and to bring down the club he supports because he's on an ego trip of how many nuts supporters he can gather who will put up banners and shout abuse at him and threaten his family (it's happened in the past.) Every year the same people pop up in this forum whenever something is going wrong and it's Parish fault, hes to blame, terrible job. Give it a rest... there are so many factors as to why things aren't going our way.

The ample injuries, the lack of squad rotation, the lack of tactical change, the missed wins from letting in goals within the dying minutes, sheer bad luck, squad concentration being abysmal in the first few minutes of a game, players in odd positions, yes you could suggest squad depth but then again we have fresh players watching paint dry most games as Roy has a disposition for playing his favourites, you can then add disharmony with the shareholders albeit 1 shareholder who should be nicknamed Delboy of the US, FFP being far more involved as of late.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 06 Feb 24 11.02am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by auk

Much of the reason for our current woes is the uncertainty about Roy.

SP could end the endless speculation by stating unequivocally that we’re all in this together and Roy stays until the end of the season.

Instead Roy is shilly-shallying and allowing the media to set the agenda which is demoralising both to Roy and to the team.

Bringing in a new manager at this stage of the season would be reckless beyond belief.

I disagree with it being reckless to replace Roy, but I totally agree that Parish needs to show leadership and come out and publicly back Roy if he is indeed being kept on.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Feb 24 11.07am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1

Crystal clear in your own mind... The only thing crystal clear is your distaste of Parish. The devil incarnate, here to make sure he does a terrible job and to bring down the club he supports because he's on an ego trip of how many nuts supporters he can gather who will put up banners and shout abuse at him and threaten his family (it's happened in the past.) Every year the same people pop up in this forum whenever something is going wrong and it's Parish fault, hes to blame, terrible job. Give it a rest... there are so many factors as to why things aren't going our way.

The ample injuries, the lack of squad rotation, the lack of tactical change, the missed wins from letting in goals within the dying minutes, sheer bad luck, squad concentration being abysmal in the first few minutes of a game, players in odd positions, yes you could suggest squad depth but then again we have fresh players watching paint dry most games as Roy has a disposition for playing his favourites, you can then add disharmony with the shareholders albeit 1 shareholder who should be nicknamed Delboy of the US, FFP being far more involved as of late.

I certainly have no '' distaste '' for Parish. In fact, as somebody that has a friend who is one of Parish's best mates I find it easier to empathise with him than critisise.

However, it's virtually a football fact of life that when things go wrong it's the owners and/or the manager that fingers get pointed at.

When Steve re-hired Roy I feared the worst. Not because I don't like Hodgson, I think I have proved that on here. But because it wasn't a progressive step. Appointing a 76 year old on a 12 month deal is the worst kind of short termism.

Yes, there have been mitigating circumstances such as the injuries. But there has definitely been a less than joined up approach to hiring that manager and the resulting recruitment.

The disharmony within the Board...you have to speculate on what due diligence was done on Textor or was it just a case of getting the money in the bank and dealing with that later ?

 


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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 06 Feb 24 11.36am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1

Crystal clear in your own mind... The only thing crystal clear is your distaste of Parish. The devil incarnate, here to make sure he does a terrible job and to bring down the club he supports because he's on an ego trip of how many nuts supporters he can gather who will put up banners and shout abuse at him and threaten his family (it's happened in the past.) Every year the same people pop up in this forum whenever something is going wrong and it's Parish fault, hes to blame, terrible job. Give it a rest... there are so many factors as to why things aren't going our way.

The ample injuries, the lack of squad rotation, the lack of tactical change, the missed wins from letting in goals within the dying minutes, sheer bad luck, squad concentration being abysmal in the first few minutes of a game, players in odd positions, yes you could suggest squad depth but then again we have fresh players watching paint dry most games as Roy has a disposition for playing his favourites, you can then add disharmony with the shareholders albeit 1 shareholder who should be nicknamed Delboy of the US, FFP being far more involved as of late.

Clearly we have disagree on Parish, the facts are there for all to see. I do not think anyone will disagree that what Parish and his fellow directors did in 2010 was truly outstanding, however that was 2010 or 14 years ago. What I am talking about is today and the future, Parish has allowed the squad depth to dwindle so much that at least half of those on the bench and in the current would not stand up in the championship or maybe even in L1. The options outside the top 7/8 players is very limited and even more so when
some of that 7/8 get injured. Those on the bench, that you mention warming the seats are often only there because there because there are no other options available. It is a difficult decision for whoever is the manager when you lack quality in depth. PV came in after Roy retired and was then sacked because we lacked the squad quality to consistently perform well with his style of play. Parish called back Roy and he saved us yet again. Roy then retired again, Parish tried to find a Manager, alas, no Manager was prepared to take the job under the terms and way Parish likes to operate. To prove the point Roy was called back, rightly or wrongly as it is the only option he had left. Then last summer summer Parish spent circa 40m on Henderson/Holding/Franca, neither of which we desperately needed and from what I have seen they are at this point in time not good investments when what we need most of all is a defender who can dominate in the air and a striker who can consistently score goals. I rest my case and just hope Parish does not relegate us as is looking more likely as each game passes!

 

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View CpfcWeTrust1's Profile CpfcWeTrust1 Flag 06 Feb 24 11.39am Send a Private Message to CpfcWeTrust1 Add CpfcWeTrust1 as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I certainly have no '' distaste '' for Parish. In fact, as somebody that has a friend who is one of Parish's best mates I find it easier to empathise with him than critisise.

However, it's virtually a football fact of life that when things go wrong it's the owners and/or the manager that fingers get pointed at.

When Steve re-hired Roy I feared the worst. Not because I don't like Hodgson, I think I have proved that on here. But because it wasn't a progressive step. Appointing a 76 year old on a 12 month deal is the worst kind of short termism.

Yes, there have been mitigating circumstances such as the injuries. But there has definitely been a less than joined up approach to hiring that manager and the resulting recruitment.

The disharmony within the Board...you have to speculate on what due diligence was done on Textor or was it just a case of getting the money in the bank and dealing with that later ?

Hindsights a great thing, before Xmas we didn't look too bad and it's very easy to pop up and say "told ya so" when things aren't going well, further into the season.

Hodgson from last season did a fine job when I thought he wouldn't and there was no reason to think differently this season until we had injuries and Roy reverted back to negative football. Was Parish meant to know injuries would mean that Roy went back to previous form?

We have no real idea what happens in the boardroom and Textor I'm sure is wise enough to know how a football club.

I appreciate the different perspective though Neillo.

 

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View SurbsEagle's Profile SurbsEagle Flag 06 Feb 24 11.52am Send a Private Message to SurbsEagle Add SurbsEagle as a friend

The Premier League is not the be all and end all of football. Clubs who have fantastic owners have been relegated from the Premier League before and will again.

Without harking on about it but, given where we were in 2010 - relegation is not the worst thing that COULD happen to this football club. I, of course, don't want it to happen and also don't think it will happen this season.

We have a brilliant training facility, top class academy, prospects of an improved stadium, the infrastructure around the club has vastly improved since the owners took over and we also have the highest squad value we've ever had.
Why would anyone protest against this, given where we have come from in just 14 years?

 

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