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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 May 16 11.19am

Originally posted by npn

And, oddly enough, "anti-racists" who are actually fiercely racist - just depends on whether they are racist against "the races that deserve it".

Maybe, I've not met many that are actually very racist, but some do have a bit of a hypocritical chip on their shoulder so to speak, though largely that's due to the same kind of lazy generalisation that equates white in the same way that Jewish becomes Israeli.

In the Youth Against Racism et al there were a few people who were prejudiced, but not really racist in the same way that groups like the National Front and BNP were / are.

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset

Some are saying there's a witch hunt going on.

From a suspended Lp member Jacqueline Walker...

As many of you know I have been suspended from the Labour Party for anti-Semitic comments. I have been an active anti-racist trainer and campaigner for years, often in all white communities. I have been spat at and beaten by racists. I have marched against the fascists, defended minorities, am of Jewish decent as is my partner. If they can do this to me they can do it to anyone ... let us recall Niemoller


I am a Jew, a socialist and a trades unionist ... and these people have come for me .... in Britain ... today.

Yes, she's the idiot that blamed Jews for the slave trade. Thanks for saving me the trouble of locating the article.

This supports my theory that left-wing anti-semitism stems from not only Palestine, but the preconception of having money or historical involvment in banking.

If you think such statements are more valid and less racist than those digging out someone for associating with terrorists, then you've clearly lost all perspective.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Maybe, I've not met many that are actually very racist, but some do have a bit of a hypocritical chip on their shoulder so to speak, though largely that's due to the same kind of lazy generalisation that equates white in the same way that Jewish becomes Israeli.

In the Youth Against Racism et al there were a few people who were prejudiced, but not really racist in the same way that groups like the National Front and BNP were / are.

You've kind of proved my point there - you're saying "yes, they are prejudiced, but not in the 'bad' way like the NF"

I'll use her because it's easy and recent - the NUS rep who barred men and white people from her meetings. A racist move clearly, but apparently not racist because as "a woman of colour" she could not be racist. They squirm and hide behind definitions (which they make up to suit the agenda on the table - in her case "racism = power + differentiating on race, ergo someone in the race generally seen to be without the power cannot be racist". The same goes with this current antisemitism thing - they will make the same generalisations and broad statements that would be deemed racist were they to be directed, for instance, against Indians, but because it's against Israelis it's widely accepted among the chattering classes.

 

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Also read this yesterday which seems to defend Ron Atkinson, Jermaine Greer Jerry Adams and others' use of the N word, on the grounds that there are worse things to be subjected to.

It's well written to avoid all reference to the recent Labour suspensions but it's a clear example of selective acceptence of racism where it suits your polictical stance.

Were anyone else to undermine the severity of such epithets, they'd themselves be considered racist.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 May 16 12.06pm

Originally posted by npn

You've kind of proved my point there - you're saying "yes, they are prejudiced, but not in the 'bad' way like the NF"

I think its reasonable to assume that there is a sliding scale in play here. The NF were actively racist, encouraged and involved in violence against people due to their ethnicity or lack of whiteness.

Which is a big stretch from those I met who were prejudiced against whites within groups like the Anti-Nazi League or Youth against Racism etc. I'm sure there are some anti-white hate groups out there, but I've never really come across one that is comparable to the NF.

Originally posted by npn
I'll use her because it's easy and recent - the NUS rep who barred men and white people from her meetings. A racist move clearly, but apparently not racist because as "a woman of colour" she could not be racist. They squirm and hide behind definition...

Well people who think that are wrong and stupid.

Whilst I accept Johnsons sociological argument that it can be understandable why people from ethnic or different gender backgrounds maybe prejudiced by their experience of the imbalance of social power, that doesn't justify them utilising the language of hate either.

They're just people who like the status and power, they fail to understand a core feminist value that you can only escape oppression by raising the oppressor up to your standards, not by lowering yourself to theirs.

University kids huh. Everyone wants the revolutionaries chic, but they don't actually want to read the books they wrote. Sound byte activism learned from rote and TV, its just co-opting the language of the system to justify self identity, not change or social justice.

 


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Another one suspended, and a 'key member' of Momentum:

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This is definitely NOT endemic, people.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 May 16 1.30pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Another one suspended, and a 'key member' of Momentum:

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This is definitely NOT endemic, people.

I mentioned her earlier, so it's not another one!

I read her comments on the link, could you explain what you think is anti semetic about them.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

I mentioned her earlier, so it's not another one!

I read her comments on the link, could you explain what you think is anti semetic about them.

If you can't work that out for yourself, then I can understand why you think this is episode is 'not a problem'.

 


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Labour has 375,000 members.

So far 0.000001 % of them have been suspended.

Have to say - it's looking like an out of control plague.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 May 16 2.27pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

If you can't work that out for yourself, then I can understand why you think this is episode is 'not a problem'.

I hope its for something not shown, because the rest of the statement isn't anti-Semitic as it occurs in a comparative example to dismiss the reply of the holocaust. Its critical, but is it purely anti-Semitic or just the 'shrill cry of the racial top trump card'. Probably the later.

I'd like to see what stemmed the question 'what debit do we owe the Jews' though. That's probably the most concerning. Unless were going to reduce anti-Semitic as being anything critical of actions undertaken by some Jewish people or comparing the Holocaust to something. Its not worthy that the only use of Jews as a generalisation, is the question.

 


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View Oliver's Profile Oliver Flag Bodega Bay 05 May 16 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Oliver Add Oliver as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Another one suspended, and a 'key member' of Momentum:

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This is definitely NOT endemic, people.

Same person as you posted yesterday. I think you're getting a little over excited.

 


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If there's nothing wrong with any of the Labour comments then how are Boris, Goldmsmith and Cameron racist?

 

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