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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 17 Feb 17 11.33pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Most people, is this from a recognised survey or just a hunch?

I'm not saying anyone is stupid, if it was so stupid of them what's all this about?

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A national broadcaster asks about the £350 million quid, (40 seconds in) she didn't know she was supposed to know it was bulls***!

The money for the NHS (as it turns out lie) thing was used over and over again in the campaign.

We've gone through this so many times... How can Nigel Farage pledge anything if he is not in government? It's a stupid question to him!

Also, how do you know the money won't be used for the NHS once we leave?

 

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 17 Feb 17 11.34pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

Yup, there sure was a lot of genuine love and support for the NHS within the Leave campaign..

"Matthew Elliott, Chief Executive of Vote Leave was previously chief executive of the Taxpayers Alliance, which advocated far harsher public spending cuts than those carried out by the Government.

In addition last March when Mr Elliott was still a director of the organisation it set out details of how it would increase charges for NHS services.

These included a “£20 flat-rate GP consultation charge”; a “£20 daily ‘hotel’ charge for overnight hospital stays.."

Edited by legaleagle (17 Feb 2017 11.25pm)

Really clutching at straws there.

Just accept the fact you lost!

Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Feb 2017 11.38pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Feb 17 1.00am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Really clutching at straws there.

Just accept the fact you lost!

Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Feb 2017 11.38pm)

I personally haven't lost, although the increase in food prices will make the budget tight. We will see what the future brings.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Feb 17 1.02am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

We've gone through this so many times... How can Nigel Farage pledge anything if he is not in government? It's a stupid question to him!

Also, how do you know the money won't be used for the NHS once we leave?

I note you haven't responded about your source that 'most people' knew the bus didn't really mean what it implied.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 18 Feb 17 10.01am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I note you haven't responded about your source that 'most people' knew the bus didn't really mean what it implied.

You are right. I nearly didn't vote Leave because I was worried that all the money saved would be frittered away on yet another black-hole NHS initiative.

 


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Hoof Hearted 18 Feb 17 11.13am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Being caught out as a liar. Its a big distinction for a politician. You can manipulate and spin the truth, but the one sin is being caught out as lying.

The difference between being a suspect and being found guilty.

Like with Corbyn "unable to find a seat on the Virgin Train" despite CCTV cameras recording him walk past dozens of empty seats beforehand?

EFA

Edited by Hoof Hearted (18 Feb 2017 11.14am)

 

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Hoof Hearted 18 Feb 17 11.22am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Would you like to point me to the section in whichever myriad EU treaties we've had signed for us that guarantees the UK receives it's rebate, and moreover that it has complete freedom to spend the various infrastructural "funds" (lol) on whatever we please?

Reality check: if we wanted to spend that £350m on on whatever we pleased, we couldn't:

1. The rebate could have been removed on a whim. There is no legal right to it.
2. The remaining UK taxpayer funds we receive back as "EU money" could only be spent on specific things. Moreover, a large fraction of that was conditional on "matched funding" from UKgov. Yup: "Here's £1.5mm of your own money to spend on anything you like, as long as it's rural heritage centre in the middle of Wales where no one will go. Oh, by the way: Trump up for the other £1.5m or you can't build it".

Sorry I said Trump. Didn't mean to trigger you.

Instead of being told, like little children, how to spend our own money, we opted to not earmark £350m per week to an EU that could rightfully have said: "you know what? We're not doing that rebate thing any more, and you're only allowed to spend your funds on roads. In Romania".

Now. Ah, yes. Lies. Where's the recession? Where's the mass unemployment? Where's the locusts? Where's the punishment budget? Where's the “serried rows of white headstones”? Where's the relocation of banks? Where's the drop in house prices? Why did we spend a record £77.56bn at Christmas when "Brexit has ruined us"? Where's the back of the queue? Where's the exodus of companies? Why isn't Cameron still PM as he promised?

I could go on, but it's pretty boring harping back to a referendum that supposedly we were all too stupid to understand.

I wish you would go on David..... especially now the "Prince of Darkness" Blair has re-emerged to remind us Brexiteers that we are indeed stupid to have voted leave last June and we need educating by that lying cnut!

 

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Hoof Hearted 18 Feb 17 11.46am

Can I also remind you all why I am not responding directly to Gusset.... and I can assure you all it is not because I am "a silly sausage".

This thread highlights Gusset's debating strategy as plain as day.

He regurgitates old arguments he has lost countless times before and uses old out of date quoting support material from dodgy sources.. yet he challenges the validity of opposition material countering his argument (which has been proven invalid before).

In other words he has you all going round in circles.... but I won't play that game.

Seriously, if you continue to play his game you will be wasting an awful lot of time that you could spend doing something constructive.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Feb 17 11.56am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

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from Vote Leave director Dominic Cummings

Pundits and MPs kept saying ‘why isn’t Leave arguing about the economy and living standards’. They did not realise that for millions of people, £350m/NHS was about the economy and living standards – that’s why it was so effective. It was clearly the most effective argument not only with the crucial swing fifth but with almost every demographic. Even with UKIP voters it was level-pegging with immigration. Would we have won without immigration? No. Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests No. Would we have won by spending our time talking about trade and the Single Market? No way.


Seems someone who might know about these things thinks differently.


(awaits 'just a lefty blog' by way of rebuttal which doesn't counter the argument.)

I've already given you a counter argument. But when you see one you can't counter back, you just ignore it and carry on spouting rhetoric.

Borrrrrring!

 

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Hoof Hearted 18 Feb 17 11.58am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I've already given you a counter argument. But when you see one you can't counter back, you just ignore it and carry on spouting rhetoric.

Borrrrrring!

Hrolf.... you've just wasted another couple of minutes mate.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Feb 17 12.04pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Hrolf.... you've just wasted another couple of minutes mate.

I don't get out enough.

 

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legaleagle Flag 18 Feb 17 12.10pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Really clutching at straws there.

Just accept the fact you lost!

Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Feb 2017 11.38pm)

Amusing...but it doth not make a decent argument in response..

Its got nothing to do with who won or lost...it has got everything to do with the seeming blindness/blithe acceptance of some on here to the flagrant tosh being said on an ongoing basis about the NHS to try and mislead/con voters...

Take our dear friend Mr Nuttall (paragon of virtue of this parish)...

"The MEP...said his party would be “committed to keeping the NHS in public hands and free at the point of delivery”.

During the programme Marr read out comments from Nuttall in 2011 in which he said the “very existence of the NHS stifles competition” and as long as the NHS was the “sacred cow” of British politics “the longer the British people will suffer with a second-rate health service”.

A video then showed Nuttall previously describing the NHS as a “monolithic hangover from days gone by” and noting he wanted “more free market introduced into the health service” given the country’s ageing population.


Lets at least call a spade a spade...

"you" won.....but a pile of tosh remains a pile of tosh whoever wins....especially when the tosh continues post referendum


PS.Maybe some of those foamimg uncontrollably so much about Bliar (a political has been) might might to focus on a certain current party leader presently standing for election?

"Nuttall was also asked about reports that his CV included claims that he had a PhD in history from Liverpool Hope University.

"....separate claim on his personal website earlier this week that he had been a “professional footballer” for Tranmere Rovers. The club denied it..."

 

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