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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jul 16 12.48pm | |
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Sadly this thread is almost a facsimile of the Paris attack thread. Views are so entrenched and the same arguments just go round and round. Is it worth bothering? RIP. I'm leaving it at that.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jul 16 12.49pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Sadly this thread is almost a facsimile of the Paris attack thread. Views are so entrenched and the same arguments just go round and round. Is it worth bothering? RIP. I'm leaving it at that. Well that's one bit of good news.
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Kermit8 Hevon 15 Jul 16 12.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Never mind about all this who does what crap. We need practical solutions to this problem. Is this not a practical solution from my earlier post? Said it before: the military and world governments have to directly target the extreme and terrorist-inclined sects of Islam. There are Wahhabi schools in places like Indonesia that at this minute are brainwashing children to have a 'martyr's' end. The problem - not for me - is of course is that we would have to upset Saudi Arabia. Some would call that impractical but I am not sure entirely why apart from the oil side of it.
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leifandersonshair Newport 15 Jul 16 12.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We will be in France in a few weeks so it's not just about Britain. Difficulty is always how to identify them. Intelligence aims to track these people from extremist websites, forums etc to take action before they make an attack. Trouble with 'lone wolf' attacks like this- could be some guy who spoke to no one, lurked on websites and never posted, and got angrier and crazier until he snapped. Bar imprisoning or monitoring every Muslim because they might harbor extremist views, how the heck do you stop them? At that point you need to monitor everyone, all the time- because anyone can snap, over religion, family issues, road rage, whatever. I've seen it suggested that the way to stop this particular TYPE of attack has already happened in most UK cities- pedestrianized areas with bollards etc for city centres.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jul 16 1.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Well that's one bit of good news. Pish off Hrolf and give it a rest for a day eh?
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jul 16 1.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Is this not a practical solution from my earlier post? Said it before: the military and world governments have to directly target the extreme and terrorist-inclined sects of Islam. There are Wahhabi schools in places like Indonesia that at this minute are brainwashing children to have a 'martyr's' end. The problem - not for me - is of course is that we would have to upset Saudi Arabia. Some would call that impractical but I am not sure entirely why apart from the oil side of it. More practical. When we rid ourselves of the need for oil, the Saudis will become irrelevant.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jul 16 1.05pm | |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
Difficulty is always how to identify them. Intelligence aims to track these people from extremist websites, forums etc to take action before they make an attack. Trouble with 'lone wolf' attacks like this- could be some guy who spoke to no one, lurked on websites and never posted, and got angrier and crazier until he snapped. Bar imprisoning or monitoring every Muslim because they might harbor extremist views, how the heck do you stop them? At that point you need to monitor everyone, all the time- because anyone can snap, over religion, family issues, road rage, whatever. I've seen it suggested that the way to stop this particular TYPE of attack has already happened in most UK cities- pedestrianized areas with bollards etc for city centres. There is no such thing as a lone wolf attack. In these sort of incidence, it is a myth. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Jul 2016 1.10pm)
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 15 Jul 16 1.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is no such thing as a lone wolf attack. In these sort of incidence, it is a myth. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Jul 2016 1.10pm) Like Britain First.
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lankygit Lincoln 15 Jul 16 1.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8 If we are going to generally blame Muslims/Islam for the 1% of nutters who follow the Wahhabi creed to its violent and child murdering ends then we will also have to blame Protestants and Loyalists for IRA bombs/killing back in the day for they too were part of a same religion. Said it before: the military and world governments have to directly target the extreme and terrorist-inclined sects of Islam. There are Wahhabi schools in places like Indonesia that at this minute are brainwashing children to have a 'martyr's' end. Edited by Kermit8 (15 Jul 2016 10.56am) Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Frankly, when 84 people have been butchered my thought are not about offending Muslims. We all know that every Muslim is not sharpening a knife to murder us but I always find it odd that when something like this happens, some people's first reaction is to point this out. Whilst I agree with both of you that the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, it is as plain as day that the vast majority of terrorists today are Muslims. I am a "lefty" with Muslim friends, and after the slaughter of 84 innocent people, plus hundreds injured, I am not concerned who I offend by saying so.
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silvertop Portishead 15 Jul 16 1.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
More practical. When we rid ourselves of the need for oil, the Saudis will become irrelevant.
Imagine if you are proposing an attack on Arabia? You will ignite the entire Muslim world - moderate or otherwise - there are quite a lot of them. It will never happen.
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Kermit8 Hevon 15 Jul 16 2.18pm | |
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The killer was delivery driver Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel from Nice.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jul 16 2.35pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Like Britain First. So predictable. There is no comparison and I'm not going to respond further to such nonsense. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Jul 2016 2.38pm)
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