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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 22 Jan 24 10.35am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

If he's taking training today in readiness for a game in just over a week's time, I don't think he's going at present.
If he was going I think it would have happened over the weekend with McCarthy taking training this morning as caretaker.
Roy won't change so the only catalyst for change can be players returning to full fitness and form and/or new additions in the window.

 

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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 22 Jan 24 10.38am Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

Yes if doesn't happen today then it will be a Roy show for next game by look of it

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 22 Jan 24 10.43am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by ambrose7

I fell into the Hodgson out camp yesterday.

I wrote on the Parish out thread recently about being realistic with our ambitions given our income vs other teams. I still stand by that.

What is alarming for me is the continuing coaching issues.

1) Set Pieces. At Premier League level, if you're doing well or poorly it's simply a matter of coaching. We have international goalkeepers, international centre halves. Arsenal yesterday demonstrated what can happen when everyone has a job against a team where no-one has a job. Our net goals from set piece this season must be appalling.

2) Goals scored. Sod the injuries - Luton have now scored more than us this season. We have failed to score in 40% of our home games this season, only Everton and Burnley are worse. In Everton's defence, after their first 3 games they've only failed to score in the United defeat and a 0-0 draw with Villa.

3) General work rate. Hughes floats that crap cross into Raya's hands yesterday and the lack of movement is astounding. When Raya catches it, freeze it. Schlupp is staring at him dejected, with Trossard next to him. When Raya releases the ball, Schlupp is still staring at the Arsenal goal, Trossard is 35 yards up the pitch in a full blown sprint. He scores. Odegaard, who was also next to Schlupp, is next in line to score.

As Jesus gets the ball, Schlupp finally turns around. Turns out he was waiting to console Andersen who ALSO hadn't moved because he was squaring off with Rice.

That's sod all to do with the board. Everton, Luton, Wolves... they don't concede that goal. Their managers demand a work rate that means that doesn't happen.

4) Bringing on Tomkins to play alongside Ahamada against a fresh Martinelli? Give me a break. I have no idea what the point of that was but it turned a bad defeat into an embarrassment and may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. That decision got exactly what it deserved. Had we played another 5 minutes God knows how many he'd have scored.

We've conceded 5 awful goals. Poor set piece work, poor transition and work rate, poor in game management. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with finances and player quality. That is all coaching. Even worse, it's meant to be Hodgson's strengths. If he isn't delivering the goals, AND isn't delivering defensive stability ... what's he offering?


An excellent post that totally dissembles step by irrefutable step any defence of Hodgson's methods.
His role as manager, the negative tactics he employs, the lack of forward coaching, the lack of set piece work, the lack of work rate and motivation, the dubious substitutions - the list is long and all fall under the remit of a football manager, which is to say areas that Hodgson is responsible for.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (22 Jan 2024 11.11am)

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Online Flag Orpington 22 Jan 24 10.47am Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Parish will not sack Roy.

He cannot afford to as if he does Ray and a few of the backroom staff will need to go to and there is simply not the cash available to pay them off.

We will limp on to the end of the season, hopefully cobbling together a few deals on deadline day in a desperate bid to stave off relegation.

I could also see us selling one of our young talents now or in the summer to both balance the books and generate some cash.

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 22 Jan 24 10.57am Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Parish will not sack Roy.

He cannot afford to as if he does Ray and a few of the backroom staff will need to go to and there is simply not the cash available to pay them off.

We will limp on to the end of the season, hopefully cobbling together a few deals on deadline day in a desperate bid to stave off relegation.

I could also see us selling one of our young talents now or in the summer to both balance the books and generate some cash.

Roy & Ray's contract runs till 30th June, that's 5(five) months of payments, roughly £750k. That's about one home match revenue(give or take).

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jan 24 11.02am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

There is of course rampant speculation in the media and on social media apropos the future of Mr Hodgson.

Earlier in the season when Preston were experiencing difficulties and there was discussion about the tenureship of manager Ryan Lowe.The Board in order to quell speculation informed all the players that his position was not under threat and he is still in situ to this day.

Edited by Willo (22 Jan 2024 11.03am)

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jan 24 11.05am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Parish will not sack Roy.

He cannot afford to as if he does Ray and a few of the backroom staff will need to go to and there is simply not the cash available to pay them off.

We will limp on to the end of the season, hopefully cobbling together a few deals on deadline day in a desperate bid to stave off relegation.

I could also see us selling one of our young talents now or in the summer to both balance the books and generate some cash.

Roy is against walking I presume. I wonder if the principle is ethical or something else. I believe many managers would offer to go in this situation.

I believe Roy has lost the backing of the majority of the fans. It was 50/50 almost to begin with. I reckon it's more like 80/20 or worse these days. Every neutral asks me the question "what the f*** is Roy still doing there?". I used to back him, I now largely say nothing. I agree with them but try not to go along with it.

Edited by ASCPFC (22 Jan 2024 11.06am)

 


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View SnapperKain's Profile SnapperKain Flag SE25 6PU 22 Jan 24 11.33am Send a Private Message to SnapperKain Add SnapperKain as a friend

Originally posted by ambrose7

I fell into the Hodgson out camp yesterday.

I wrote on the Parish out thread recently about being realistic with our ambitions given our income vs other teams. I still stand by that.

What is alarming for me is the continuing coaching issues.

1) Set Pieces. At Premier League level, if you're doing well or poorly it's simply a matter of coaching. We have international goalkeepers, international centre halves. Arsenal yesterday demonstrated what can happen when everyone has a job against a team where no-one has a job. Our net goals from set piece this season must be appalling.

2) Goals scored. Sod the injuries - Luton have now scored more than us this season. We have failed to score in 40% of our home games this season, only Everton and Burnley are worse. In Everton's defence, after their first 3 games they've only failed to score in the United defeat and a 0-0 draw with Villa.

3) General work rate. Hughes floats that crap cross into Raya's hands yesterday and the lack of movement is astounding. When Raya catches it, freeze it. Schlupp is staring at him dejected, with Trossard next to him. When Raya releases the ball, Schlupp is still staring at the Arsenal goal, Trossard is 35 yards up the pitch in a full blown sprint. He scores. Odegaard, who was also next to Schlupp, is next in line to score.

As Jesus gets the ball, Schlupp finally turns around. Turns out he was waiting to console Andersen who ALSO hadn't moved because he was squaring off with Rice.

That's sod all to do with the board. Everton, Luton, Wolves... they don't concede that goal. Their managers demand a work rate that means that doesn't happen.

4) Bringing on Tomkins to play alongside Ahamada against a fresh Martinelli? Give me a break. I have no idea what the point of that was but it turned a bad defeat into an embarrassment and may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. That decision got exactly what it deserved. Had we played another 5 minutes God knows how many he'd have scored.

We've conceded 5 awful goals. Poor set piece work, poor transition and work rate, poor in game management. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with finances and player quality. That is all coaching. Even worse, it's meant to be Hodgson's strengths. If he isn't delivering the goals, AND isn't delivering defensive stability ... what's he offering?


Excellent post and sums up my thoughts at the moment.

 


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View SnapperKain's Profile SnapperKain Flag SE25 6PU 22 Jan 24 11.35am Send a Private Message to SnapperKain Add SnapperKain as a friend

Originally posted by crvenaeagle

Andersen gave up a loooong time ago. I've been watching closely this season, how frequently you see him stop running and just let the inevitable happen when an opposition player is closing in on goal. He clearly feels overworked and probably sick of having to continually cover for the likes of Ward and other players who aren't up to it. Heads out the door, wishes he left last season and hadn't drank from Parish's snake oil.

Agree and I'd add Guehi to that as well. They've both looked dejected and fed up the last half a dozen games and it wouldn't surprise me if they left now or in the summer.

 


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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

An excellent post that totally dissembles step by irrefutable step any defence of Hodgson's methods.
His role as manager, the negative tactics he employs, the lack of forward coaching, the lack of set piece work, the lack of work rate and motivation, the dubious substitutions - the list is long and all fall under the remit of a football manager, which is to say areas that Hodgson is responsible for.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (22 Jan 2024 11.11am)

Couldn’t agree more

 

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View Goalpost1's Profile Goalpost1 Flag Worcester Park 22 Jan 24 1.36pm Send a Private Message to Goalpost1 Add Goalpost1 as a friend

Originally posted by SnapperKain

Agree and I'd add Guehi to that as well. They've both looked dejected and fed up the last half a dozen games and it wouldn't surprise me if they left now or in the summer.

Agree with both. They looked great at the start of the season and terrible now. Guehi could be in danger of losing his place in the England squad if he continues in this form.

 

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View radicalsteve's Profile radicalsteve Flag ottawa 22 Jan 24 1.50pm Send a Private Message to radicalsteve Add radicalsteve as a friend

In the PV era of discontent, Wilf had the ear of Parish and probably relayed the feelings in the dressing room. I wonder if Parish has the pulse of the dressing room this time? If not, maybe there is not enough discontent yet to force his hand. If we beat Sheffield (50/50 probability?) Roy will stay.

I never understood the strategy of investing in the academy and a pipeline of talent and then appointing Roy, albeit only for one season. Such an incongruent proposition that had risk written all over it based on Roy's previous stint, before he came in to replace PV last year.

 

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