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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.


That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.


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I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.


That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.


Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in.


I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

Thanks Kermit.


Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma.

 


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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


Press barons and politicos in cahoots shocker.


I love it that you think that UKIP and the press are in 'cahoots' and that there is some sort of massive conspiracy promoting UKIP and suppressing 'credible' TUSC.

Could it be that a lot of people associate with UKIP for various reasons? That it is actually in the 'Press Barons' interests to elect the 'safe' options of Cameron or Milit***? That most people think that parties like TUSC are bonkers?

Forget the TUSC for a bit, we know that they're a non starter electoraly wise. From where I stand, you look at it like supporting a football team (remember your 'we won you lost' posts a while ago) This is people's lives that are being fecked by these politicians.

The media is skewed to serve the neoliberal agenda, cherry picking or ignoring news stories. If you can't see this, you are a simpleton, brainwashed or both.

Edited by nickgusset (12 Nov 2014 5.02pm)


Of course Gusset. It is all a neoliberal agenda. Do you actually understand what neoliberal means as I don't believe you do. Please, tell me what you think it means.

Many believe it took root in the time of Reagan and Thatcher whereby financial institutions, corporations (which interestingly first appeared as organisations in the late 19th century to oversee large scale public projects then disband) and governments worked together to ensure wealth transference upwards. It paved the way for easy credit (leading to people becoming indebted and thus trapped) and deregulation of markets to allow institutions to get away with more. It lead to the market taking over more and more of state apparatus - services, industries etc etc which allowed a small amount of people with fingers in each others pies - mp's as company directors looking after corporate interests rather than the interests of their constituents or environment. Companies lobbying parliament or government combined with political funding to garner more ways to siphon cash upwards. Complicit in this are the media who put a positive spin on this on all of this.


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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.


That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.


Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in.


I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

Thanks Kermit.


Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma.

No. You are being your usual self.


Edited by matt_himself (12 Nov 2014 5.38pm)

 


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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


Press barons and politicos in cahoots shocker.


I love it that you think that UKIP and the press are in 'cahoots' and that there is some sort of massive conspiracy promoting UKIP and suppressing 'credible' TUSC.

Could it be that a lot of people associate with UKIP for various reasons? That it is actually in the 'Press Barons' interests to elect the 'safe' options of Cameron or Milit***? That most people think that parties like TUSC are bonkers?

Forget the TUSC for a bit, we know that they're a non starter electoraly wise. From where I stand, you look at it like supporting a football team (remember your 'we won you lost' posts a while ago) This is people's lives that are being fecked by these politicians.

The media is skewed to serve the neoliberal agenda, cherry picking or ignoring news stories. If you can't see this, you are a simpleton, brainwashed or both.

Edited by nickgusset (12 Nov 2014 5.02pm)


Of course Gusset. It is all a neoliberal agenda. Do you actually understand what neoliberal means as I don't believe you do. Please, tell me what you think it means.

Many believe it took root in the time of Reagan and Thatcher whereby financial institutions, corporations (which interestingly first appeared as organisations in the late 19th century to oversee large scale public projects then disband) and governments worked together to ensure wealth transference upwards. It paved the way for easy credit (leading to people becoming indebted and thus trapped) and deregulation of markets to allow institutions to get away with more. It lead to the market taking over more and more of state apparatus - services, industries etc etc which allowed a small amount of people with fingers in each others pies - mp's as company directors looking after corporate interests rather than the interests of their constituents or environment. Companies lobbying parliament or government combined with political funding to garner more ways to siphon cash upwards. Complicit in this are the media who put a positive spin on this on all of this.


Edited by nickgusset (12 Nov 2014 5.20pm)


Interesting. Firstly, there are many misunderstandings in the above and seeing as how neither Chomsky, Friedman or Hayek could agree on the term, I find it rather interesting that you think you can define it.

Secondly, which blog did that come from?

 


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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.


That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.


Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in.


I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

Thanks Kermit.


Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma.

No sale. You are just being your usual smug self.


So, what is your take on the video evidence? Is it Nige saying those words or not? And, if you believe it it is, will you still be marketing his more recent NHS speak as something that he truly believes in?

You may decide to continue to do so but how will you know that his latter thoughts truly usurp the video-based ones?

The flip-flopping chatterbox is snookering his own supporters. Or, he would be if they weren't so damned well in love with him.

 


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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


Press barons and politicos in cahoots shocker.


I love it that you think that UKIP and the press are in 'cahoots' and that there is some sort of massive conspiracy promoting UKIP and suppressing 'credible' TUSC.

Could it be that a lot of people associate with UKIP for various reasons? That it is actually in the 'Press Barons' interests to elect the 'safe' options of Cameron or Milit***? That most people think that parties like TUSC are bonkers?

Forget the TUSC for a bit, we know that they're a non starter electoraly wise. From where I stand, you look at it like supporting a football team (remember your 'we won you lost' posts a while ago) This is people's lives that are being fecked by these politicians.

The media is skewed to serve the neoliberal agenda, cherry picking or ignoring news stories. If you can't see this, you are a simpleton, brainwashed or both.

Edited by nickgusset (12 Nov 2014 5.02pm)


Of course Gusset. It is all a neoliberal agenda. Do you actually understand what neoliberal means as I don't believe you do. Please, tell me what you think it means.

Many believe it took root in the time of Reagan and Thatcher whereby financial institutions, corporations (which interestingly first appeared as organisations in the late 19th century to oversee large scale public projects then disband) and governments worked together to ensure wealth transference upwards. It paved the way for easy credit (leading to people becoming indebted and thus trapped) and deregulation of markets to allow institutions to get away with more. It lead to the market taking over more and more of state apparatus - services, industries etc etc which allowed a small amount of people with fingers in each others pies - mp's as company directors looking after corporate interests rather than the interests of their constituents or environment. Companies lobbying parliament or government combined with political funding to garner more ways to siphon cash upwards. Complicit in this are the media who put a positive spin on this on all of this.


Edited by nickgusset (12 Nov 2014 5.20pm)


Interesting. Firstly, there are many misunderstandings in the above and seeing as how neither Chomsky, Friedman or Hayek could agree on the term, I find it rather interesting that you think you can define it.

Secondly, which blog did that come from?


All written by my own fair hand.

So Himself, how can you justify that what Farage said in the earlier link, combined with UKIP's man of the people, the 10th Earl of Dartmouth assertion that UKIP would be happy to go along with the TTIP leading to further privatisation, means that UKIP want to nationalise the NHS.

 

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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


Press barons and politicos in cahoots shocker.


I love it that you think that UKIP and the press are in 'cahoots' and that there is some sort of massive conspiracy promoting UKIP and suppressing 'credible' TUSC.

Could it be that a lot of people associate with UKIP for various reasons? That it is actually in the 'Press Barons' interests to elect the 'safe' options of Cameron or Milit***? That most people think that parties like TUSC are bonkers?

Forget the TUSC for a bit, we know that they're a non starter electoraly wise. From where I stand, you look at it like supporting a football team (remember your 'we won you lost' posts a while ago) This is people's lives that are being fecked by these politicians.

The media is skewed to serve the neoliberal agenda, cherry picking or ignoring news stories. If you can't see this, you are a simpleton, brainwashed or both.

Edited by nickgusset (12 Nov 2014 5.02pm)


Of course Gusset. It is all a neoliberal agenda. Do you actually understand what neoliberal means as I don't believe you do. Please, tell me what you think it means.

Many believe it took root in the time of Reagan and Thatcher whereby financial institutions, corporations (which interestingly first appeared as organisations in the late 19th century to oversee large scale public projects then disband) and governments worked together to ensure wealth transference upwards. It paved the way for easy credit (leading to people becoming indebted and thus trapped) and deregulation of markets to allow institutions to get away with more. It lead to the market taking over more and more of state apparatus - services, industries etc etc which allowed a small amount of people with fingers in each others pies - mp's as company directors looking after corporate interests rather than the interests of their constituents or environment. Companies lobbying parliament or government combined with political funding to garner more ways to siphon cash upwards. Complicit in this are the media who put a positive spin on this on all of this.


Edited by nickgusset (12 Nov 2014 5.20pm)


Interesting. Firstly, there are many misunderstandings in the above and seeing as how neither Chomsky, Friedman or Hayek could agree on the term, I find it rather interesting that you think you can define it.

Secondly, which blog did that come from?


All written by my own fair hand.

So Himself, how can you justify that what Farage said in the earlier link, combined with UKIP's man of the people, the 10th Earl of Dartmouth assertion that UKIP would be happy to go along with the TTIP leading to further privatisation, means that UKIP want to nationalise the NHS.

A diversion including angry, unsubstantiated statements.

Who would have thought that?

 


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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.


That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.


Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in.


I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

Thanks Kermit.


Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma.

No sale. You are just being your usual smug self.


So, what is your take on the video evidence? Is it Nige saying those words or not? And, if you believe it it is, will you still be marketing his more recent NHS speak as something that he truly believes in?

You may decide to continue to do so but how will you know that his latter thoughts truly usurp the video-based ones?

The flip-flopping chatterbox is snookering his own supporters. Or, he would be if they weren't so damned well in love with him.

Keep going Kermit. You might talk someone into your way of thinking if do.

 


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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


Press barons and politicos in cahoots shocker.


I love it that you think that UKIP and the press are in 'cahoots' and that there is some sort of massive conspiracy promoting UKIP and suppressing 'credible' TUSC.

Could it be that a lot of people associate with UKIP for various reasons? That it is actually in the 'Press Barons' interests to elect the 'safe' options of Cameron or Milit***? That most people think that parties like TUSC are bonkers?

Forget the TUSC for a bit, we know that they're a non starter electoraly wise. From where I stand, you look at it like supporting a football team (remember your 'we won you lost' posts a while ago) This is people's lives that are being fecked by these politicians.

The media is skewed to serve the neoliberal agenda, cherry picking or ignoring news stories. If you can't see this, you are a simpleton, brainwashed or both.

Edited by nickgusset (12 Nov 2014 5.02pm)


Of course Gusset. It is all a neoliberal agenda. Do you actually understand what neoliberal means as I don't believe you do. Please, tell me what you think it means.

Many believe it took root in the time of Reagan and Thatcher whereby financial institutions, corporations (which interestingly first appeared as organisations in the late 19th century to oversee large scale public projects then disband) and governments worked together to ensure wealth transference upwards. It paved the way for easy credit (leading to people becoming indebted and thus trapped) and deregulation of markets to allow institutions to get away with more. It lead to the market taking over more and more of state apparatus - services, industries etc etc which allowed a small amount of people with fingers in each others pies - mp's as company directors looking after corporate interests rather than the interests of their constituents or environment. Companies lobbying parliament or government combined with political funding to garner more ways to siphon cash upwards. Complicit in this are the media who put a positive spin on this on all of this.


Edited by nickgusset (12 Nov 2014 5.20pm)


Interesting. Firstly, there are many misunderstandings in the above and seeing as how neither Chomsky, Friedman or Hayek could agree on the term, I find it rather interesting that you think you can define it.

Secondly, which blog did that come from?


All written by my own fair hand.

So Himself, how can you justify that what Farage said in the earlier link, combined with UKIP's man of the people, the 10th Earl of Dartmouth assertion that UKIP would be happy to go along with the TTIP leading to further privatisation, means that UKIP want to nationalise the NHS.

A diversion including angry, unsubstantiated statements.

Who would have thought that?


I'm sure others that read this will be able to make their own minds up.

 

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Unlike you to be a spineless poster, Matthew. Come on. At least comment on the video. Ignoring my very reasonable request is a bit silly.

 


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Interesting. Firstly, there are many misunderstandings in the above and seeing as how neither Chomsky, Friedman or Hayek could agree on the term, I find it rather interesting that you think you can define it.

Secondly, which blog did that come from?

The term, surely, is irrelevant? It's just a word and words can have meaning ascribed to them by context. They're not absolute. More to the point, since neither Chomsky, Friedman or Hayek's support is critical to any definition of the word, who cares what they could or couldn't agree with? The Austrian/Chicago School of Economic thought is in any case now largely discredited.

I see few misunderstanding in Nick's post, so I'd like to know where you think they are. Always the last refuge of a scoundrel to criticise someone, but to fail to point out the specific errors you're accusing them of making. Is Nick wrong only because you said so? This renders your post little more than fluffy vitriol.

History, upon even a cursory examination, supports Nick's contention that corporations first appeared as organisations in the late 19th century to oversee large scale public projects. If governments can be said not have worked together OPENLY to ensure wealth transference upwards, they have certainly done so implicitly. How else do you account for the current, unbalanced, society we live in...the product of successive governments? Do you think working people are willingly disenfranchising themselves?

Easy credit became the norm because it was an easy way for banks to make (more) money. In fact, there came a point when it was the only way. Once you have no more rich people to lend to, you cash in on the poor ones at prohibitive interest rates. It's the only option. The trouble is that the risk managers got their sums wrong about what the poor borrowers could afford. (The fact that these people became indebted and thus trapped was of neither concern nor interest to anyone in the structured products community of the Financial Services industry. At least until the excrement hit the ventilation extractor.)

Deregulation of markets really amounted to little more than letting the poachers run the game estate. Or to use another metaphor, do you expect good behaviour if you give the lunatics the keys to the asylum? What do you think an institution that is designed to generate profit is going to do when it is deregulated. Take sensible risks? Settle for marginal returns?

The real problem in all this is Stalin. And no, I'm not joking. History always holds the real answers (another point implicitly made by Nick's post). The discrediting of communism (rightly -- but with it -- and wrongly -- went the credibility of more or less every colour of left wing ideology) delivered two decades of unfettered right-wing dominance that delivered a world hallmarked, ultimately, by a divided society and economic collapse. That these regimes still have apologists beggars belief. The rebirth of Keynesian perspectives attests somewhat to this.

You appear to be long on rhetoric and very short on detail.

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