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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 05 Nov 14 6.43am |
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Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 1.01am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Nov 2014 11.51pm
What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax?
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 matt_himself Matataland 05 Nov 14 7.37am |
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Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 6.43am
Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 1.01am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Nov 2014 11.51pm
What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax?
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Nov 14 7.38am |
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Quote legaleagle at 04 Nov 2014 11.58pm
Not to mention the reference on the BBC news tonight to Cornwall having received £1 billion in grants from the EU since the mid-90's to try and help regenerate its economy.
Assume that it is true as you don't back it up with any evidence that it is.
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Nov 14 7.41am |
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Quote nickgusset at 04 Nov 2014 11.51pm
What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
Therefore, it might be time to re-think the pointed accusations thrust at UKIP supporters, or those who want a debate on EU membership and UN restricted immigration, as it appears that the sentiment is shared across the political spectrum.
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| legaleagle 05 Nov 14 9.49am |
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I'm not sure it is unfair or unreasonable to particularly associate UKIP with anti-EU sentiment as the OP did. You are right that antipathy towards the EU is far from confined to UKIP, but UKIP's very raison d'etre is leaving the EU, unlike any other significant party. In terms of Cornwall's £1 billion grants in the past 20 years, see link below. You are right that EU grants might be replaced by UK government funding if we left the UK; whether they would be is another matter. But positive EU contributions like this seem to receive less focus then negative ones. Whether as a totality the UK would be better off economically from leaving the UK depends on more than a simplistic analysis of monies out from UK government to the EU the versus EU grants in. The CBI,which certainly cannot be said to be an organ of the left, comes down on the side of the benefits of EU membership exceeding the costs(notwithstanding the desirability of some reform). THE OP's query about reaction to the report indicating large scale economic benefits arising from EU immigration here is a valid question. Edited by legaleagle (05 Nov 2014 9.55am)
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Nov 14 10.39am |
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Quote legaleagle at 05 Nov 2014 9.49am
I'm not sure it is unfair or unreasonable to particularly associate UKIP with anti-EU sentiment as the OP did. You are right that antipathy towards the EU is far from confined to UKIP, but UKIP's very raison d'etre is leaving the EU, unlike any other significant party. In terms of Cornwall's £1 billion grants in the past 20 years, see link below. You are right that EU grants might be replaced by UK government funding if we left the UK; whether they would be is another matter. But positive EU contributions like this seem to receive less focus then negative ones. Whether as a totality the UK would be better off economically from leaving the UK depends on more than a simplistic analysis of monies out from UK government to the EU the versus EU grants in. The CBI,which certainly cannot be said to be an organ of the left, comes down on the side of the benefits of EU membership exceeding the costs(notwithstanding the desirability of some reform). THE OP's query about reaction to the report indicating large scale economic benefits arising from EU immigration here is a valid question. Edited by legaleagle (05 Nov 2014 9.55am)
The Greens manifesto stops short of leaving the EU, in its current guise, but is hardly supportive of the manner in which the EU currently operates.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Nov 14 10.43am |
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Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 7.37am
Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 6.43am
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Quote nickgusset at 04 Nov 2014 11.51pm
What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax?
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| Hoof Hearted 05 Nov 14 10.49am | |
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Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 7.37am
Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 6.43am
Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 1.01am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Nov 2014 11.51pm
What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax?
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| legaleagle 05 Nov 14 11.20am |
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Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 10.43am
Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 7.37am
Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 6.43am
Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 1.01am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Nov 2014 11.51pm
What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax?
BBC news article is the third link in my post above
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Nov 14 12.30pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 10.39am
Quote legaleagle at 05 Nov 2014 9.49am
I'm not sure it is unfair or unreasonable to particularly associate UKIP with anti-EU sentiment as the OP did. You are right that antipathy towards the EU is far from confined to UKIP, but UKIP's very raison d'etre is leaving the EU, unlike any other significant party. In terms of Cornwall's £1 billion grants in the past 20 years, see link below. You are right that EU grants might be replaced by UK government funding if we left the UK; whether they would be is another matter. But positive EU contributions like this seem to receive less focus then negative ones. Whether as a totality the UK would be better off economically from leaving the UK depends on more than a simplistic analysis of monies out from UK government to the EU the versus EU grants in. The CBI,which certainly cannot be said to be an organ of the left, comes down on the side of the benefits of EU membership exceeding the costs(notwithstanding the desirability of some reform). THE OP's query about reaction to the report indicating large scale economic benefits arising from EU immigration here is a valid question. Edited by legaleagle (05 Nov 2014 9.55am)
The Greens manifesto stops short of leaving the EU, in its current guise, but is hardly supportive of the manner in which the EU currently operates. Yeah but UKIP is a party entirely formed around the primary policy of leaving the EU, and it remains its central tennet of political philosophy, an economic independent UK. The Greens aren't particually pro-EU, but UKIP is anti-EU (which is fair enough).
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| legaleagle 05 Nov 14 8.23pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 6.43am
Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 1.01am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Nov 2014 11.51pm
What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20 billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax? No sensible person could defend that waste and those responsible for oversight need to collectively get their act together right now. But I'm not sure in itself its an argument for quitting the EU on the basis we would do things so much better ourselves.The link below indicates our own government-related wasted spending record is hardly a shining example to contrast with those bureaucrats in Brussels. The figures are lower but the EU budget covers spending relating to 28 member countries.
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Nov 14 8.32pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 05 Nov 2014 8.23pm
Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 6.43am
Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 1.01am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Nov 2014 11.51pm
What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20 billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax? No sensible person could defend that waste and those responsible for oversight need to collectively get their act together right now. But I'm not sure in itself its an argument for quitting the EU on the basis we would do things so much better ourselves.The link below indicates our own government-related wasted spending record is hardly a shining example to contrast with those bureaucrats in Brussels. The figures are lower but the EU budget covers spending relating to 28 member countries.
Why can't you lefties just admit that the European project has failed, has f***ed up at least two generations of Europeans and address what even most of your moderate and loony fringe know is enevitable - as the Euro system is f***ed, it can't be saved and therefore it will be scrapped? Every step is a move to justify this juggernaut of corruption and piss poor social engineering. Why? I assume it is only because you instinctively hate the likes of UKIP and therefore have to oppose them. Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2014 8.32pm)
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