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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 04 Apr 24 9.41am Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

Aid workers are often aware of the risks involved in their work, including exposure to conflict, disease, natural disasters, and other hazards. Despite the dangers, many are motivated by a desire to help those in need and make a positive impact in challenging environments.

I don’t think you can ever get these things right. Travel to a war zone and there are risks, whether you are an aid worker, journalist, observer or whatever. Try and do some good in a famine and people like David Lammy will accuse you of ‘White Saviour’ syndrome.
What I am surprised at is that there are so many different charities trying to do the same work; every day a different name comes into the frame. I wonder if the aid was restricted to regional charities whether there would be less room for mistakes.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 04 Apr 24 9.52am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

Hamas has brilliantly manipulated the world's perceptions by framing their actions as responses to oppression or injustice, exploiting media to showcase their grievances.

They use propaganda to twist narratives, highlight civilian casualties caused by countermeasures, and portray themselves as defenders of a marginalized group or cause. Social media, sympathetic coverage, and strategic messaging can amplify their victimhood narrative, swaying public opinion.

Lots of people have fallen for it .They have forgotten about the disgusting massacre of innocent people and the taking of hostages.

Remember, who started this war it was Hamas when they invaded Israel. They knew very well that Israel was going to respond strongly but nobody expected them to retaliate as they did.

If you are an Empath you are more susceptible to manipulation due to your heightened sensitivity to others' emotions.

You might empathize deeply with manipulating terrorist group like Hamas making it harder for you to recognize deceitful tactics.

Don't they all, Israel too.

And it isn't really working for Hamas, save for the sort of Islamicists who would likely support them anyway.

Western sympathy has turned largely towards innocent Palestinians despite Hamas.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 04 Apr 24 9.54am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

I don’t think you can ever get these things right. Travel to a war zone and there are risks, whether you are an aid worker, journalist, observer or whatever. Try and do some good in a famine and people like David Lammy will accuse you of ‘White Saviour’ syndrome.
What I am surprised at is that there are so many different charities trying to do the same work; every day a different name comes into the frame. I wonder if the aid was restricted to regional charities whether there would be less room for mistakes.

The more foreign, the less opportunity for Israel to categorize them as Hamas by proxy.

The more Western, the less likely (clearly in theory) for Israel to target them with drone strikes.

 

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View NJ CLOCKTOWER's Profile NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 04 Apr 24 10.25am Send a Private Message to NJ CLOCKTOWER Add NJ CLOCKTOWER as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Oh, that’s fine then, never mind..?

It never fails to amaze me how fast goalposts can move - if you go back 12 months and imagine a British military ally bombing and killing 3 British aid workers in branded aid trucks in a de-conflicted area… there would be outrage both within the public and politicians.

Now we get a few stern words from the politicians and members of the public who go on as if this is a par for the course accident.

And they accuse others of being victims of propaganda.

No it's not fine. It's just a fact of life.

 

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View NJ CLOCKTOWER's Profile NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 04 Apr 24 10.28am Send a Private Message to NJ CLOCKTOWER Add NJ CLOCKTOWER as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Don't they all, Israel too.

And it isn't really working for Hamas, save for the sort of Islamicists who would likely support them anyway.

Western sympathy has turned largely towards innocent Palestinians despite Hamas.

No, governments around the world do not necessarily act in the same way as Hamas. Hamas is a Palestinian political and military organization that has been involved in conflict and resistance against Israel. Its actions and objectives are specific to its unique circumstances and goals. Governments, on the other hand, vary greatly in their ideologies, policies, and methods of governance. Each government has its own set of laws, regulations, and systems to govern its citizens and handle internal and external affairs. It is important to avoid making broad generalizations about governmental actions based on the actions of a specific organization like Hamas.

 

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View NJ CLOCKTOWER's Profile NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 04 Apr 24 10.30am Send a Private Message to NJ CLOCKTOWER Add NJ CLOCKTOWER as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

I don’t think you can ever get these things right. Travel to a war zone and there are risks, whether you are an aid worker, journalist, observer or whatever. Try and do some good in a famine and people like David Lammy will accuse you of ‘White Saviour’ syndrome.
What I am surprised at is that there are so many different charities trying to do the same work; every day a different name comes into the frame. I wonder if the aid was restricted to regional charities whether there would be less room for mistakes.

Yes I agree. Well thought out post.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 04 Apr 24 10.51am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

No it's not fine. It's just a fact of life.

It's a fact of life that our military ally will breach international law, killing British civilians?

Can you point to to other such examples?

 

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Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

No, governments around the world do not necessarily act in the same way as Hamas. Hamas is a Palestinian political and military organization that has been involved in conflict and resistance against Israel. Its actions and objectives are specific to its unique circumstances and goals. Governments, on the other hand, vary greatly in their ideologies, policies, and methods of governance. Each government has its own set of laws, regulations, and systems to govern its citizens and handle internal and external affairs. It is important to avoid making broad generalizations about governmental actions based on the actions of a specific organization like Hamas.

Actually, yes. Your post was specific to narrative control and I addressed only that point and not some broader question of governance.

Did you forget what you had written?

 

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View NJ CLOCKTOWER's Profile NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 04 Apr 24 12.28pm Send a Private Message to NJ CLOCKTOWER Add NJ CLOCKTOWER as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Actually, yes. Your post was specific to narrative control and I addressed only that point and not some broader question of governance.

Did you forget what you had written?

There's no need to be sarcastic. if you don't like what I have written.

 

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View NJ CLOCKTOWER's Profile NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 04 Apr 24 12.33pm Send a Private Message to NJ CLOCKTOWER Add NJ CLOCKTOWER as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It's a fact of life that our military ally will breach international law, killing British civilians?

Can you point to to other such examples?

It's not accurate to say that it's a fact of life that any specific country will breach international law and target civilians. While conflicts can lead to violations of international law, attributing such actions as inevitable or characteristic of any specific ally is an oversimplification.

There have been instances in history where military actions by various countries have resulted in breaches of international law and civilian casualties. However, it's important to address each situation individually rather than generalize about entire nations or alliances.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 04 Apr 24 12.43pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

It's not accurate to say that it's a fact of life that any specific country will breach international law and target civilians. While conflicts can lead to violations of international law, attributing such actions as inevitable or characteristic of any specific ally is an oversimplification.

There have been instances in history where military actions by various countries have resulted in breaches of international law and civilian casualties. However, it's important to address each situation individually rather than generalize about entire nations or alliances.

I don't understand what point you're making - you introduced what I understood as the idea that the murder of aid workers by advanced militaries is a 'fact of life'. I strongly disagree with that assertion.

On the bit in bold; given the plethora of examples of Israel doing exactly that in the last 6 months, why is it not accurate to say it is characteristic of them? They have clearly demonstrated a disregard for both international law and protection of civilians, many times over - why do we have to pretend they haven't?

 

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View NJ CLOCKTOWER's Profile NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 04 Apr 24 1.02pm Send a Private Message to NJ CLOCKTOWER Add NJ CLOCKTOWER as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I don't understand what point you're making - you introduced what I understood as the idea that the murder of aid workers by advanced militaries is a 'fact of life'. I strongly disagree with that assertion.

On the bit in bold; given the plethora of examples of Israel doing exactly that in the last 6 months, why is it not accurate to say it is characteristic of them? They have clearly demonstrated a disregard for both international law and protection of civilians, many times over - why do we have to pretend they haven't?

It is important to approach any statement or claim with a critical and objective mindset. While it is true that there have been instances in which aid workers have been affected by military actions, it would be inaccurate and unfair to categorize it as a universal characteristic of any specific military, including Israel.

There are many factors to consider when evaluating these incidents, such as the context, the specific circumstances under which they occurred, and the motives behind them. It is crucial not to generalize the actions of a few individuals or incidents to an entire military or nation.

Additionally, it is essential to remember that international conflicts are complex and often involve multiple parties with competing narratives. It is prudent to seek a thorough understanding of each instance before making broad generalizations or assumptions.

It is fair to criticize any country for violations of international law or disregard for civilian protection, but it is also important to maintain objectivity and avoid overgeneralizations.

 

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