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 Sedlescombe  Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
The EU referendum was to decide if the UK, not Scotland, remained part of the European Union. It really is that simple. So you would presumably also agree that Scotland would be entitled to review that decision if they wanted to given the UK vote.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Funnily enough the majority chose Clinton - she got more votes - so not democratic at all really. Fvcked up system. He's a tw@t and she's a bunny boiler. Been better if neither of them had got in. I suspect the founding fathers might think the Electoral College has done its job, not out of sympathy for a borderline fascist as Trump (and I normally loathe the use of fascist as a term of political abuse but in Trump's case there is some truth to it) but the system was designed to stop it just being about the most populous areas and make even the smaller states important. It may be an odd system and it does appear to favour the Republicans. It also produces outcomes I don't like but there is a logic in requiring politicians to appeal across the country and not just in the big population areas.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Nov 16 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
So you would presumably also agree that Scotland would be entitled to review that decision if they wanted to given the UK vote. No. They voted as part of Britain not as Scotland.
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| Stuk Top half 11 Nov 16 1.12pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
How is that silly? He's suggested if you break it down into different demographics you could come up with all sorts of stats but ultimately it was the UK voting in the referendum, not Scotland and the rest of the UK as two separate things. Hoof even made some sensible observation that if women and men had voted out disproportionately we would've laughed off a demand by a specific gender to re-vote or cast aside the decision. Maybe it needs to be more ludicrous. Does anyone know the split of dog owners vs non-dog owners that voted to leave? Was there overwhelming support from spaniel owners? I demand a second referendum. And some free Pedigree Chum. Scotland seems to forget that it's not an EU member, the UK is.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Nov 16 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Don't be silly, the UK voted to leave, but Scotland overwhelming voted to remain. There's no ignoring that fact, and that's largely how the SNP have flourished by exploiting the fact that Scots are largely overlooked by the UK (rightly or wrongly). Its the same rhetoric as UKIP peddle (albeit a more left wing version). Regardless, they're representatives elected by their constituents, to represent their issues, which clearly include not wanting to leave the EU. Weird logic. Scotland is part of the UK. Would it be OK for California to reject Trump as President because they voted for Clinton. And before you tell me that's different, it really isn't.
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 11 Nov 16 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
How is that silly? He's suggested if you break it down into different demographics you could come up with all sorts of stats but ultimately it was the UK voting in the referendum, not Scotland and the rest of the UK as two separate things. Hoof even made some sensible observation that if women and men had voted out disproportionately we would've laughed off a demand by a specific gender to re-vote or cast aside the decision. Maybe it needs to be more ludicrous. Does anyone know the split of dog owners vs non-dog owners that voted to leave? Was there overwhelming support from spaniel owners? I demand a second referendum. And some free Pedigree Chum. Must be rubbish being a dog-owning voter. They never seem to winalot.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No. They voted as part of Britain not as Scotland.
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| Stuk Top half 11 Nov 16 1.23pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
They still can't stay. They're not a member. They would have to apply and then change currency, amongst a whole host of other things, before even being considered. Edited by Stuk (11 Nov 2016 1.24pm)
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 11 Nov 16 1.28pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
So you would presumably also agree that Scotland would be entitled to review that decision if they wanted to given the UK vote.
It really isn't that difficult. Scotland is part of the United Kingdom. The referendum question was... Should the United Kingdom remain part of the European Union or leave the European Union? Nothing about Scotland. London voted to remain, do you think the people of London deserve a vote on independence from the rest of the UK? Of course not. The SNP need shut the f*ck up and start actually governing/campaigning, instead of bitching and moaning which is all they seem to f*cking do. Salmond was irritating enough, Sturgeon is just a complete and utter c*nt. Edited by We are goin up! (11 Nov 2016 1.29pm)
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
They still can't stay. They're not a member. They would have to apply and then change currency, amongst a whole host of other things, before even being considered. Edited by Stuk (11 Nov 2016 1.24pm) With the UK leaving I don't think they will have the slightest difficulty in joining, although the situation would have been different as long as the UK was still a member. The EU will be falling over themselves to accommodate the Scots.
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| Part Time James 11 Nov 16 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Scotland seems to forget that it's not an EU member, the UK is. Exactly. I'm no expert so someone is bound to shoot me down in flames, but the three paths for Nichola Sturgeon are surely: 1) Have a second independence referendum for Scotland and if they vote out then they'll have to find their feet again and I believe re-apply to join the EU. 2) Have a second in independence referendum for Scotland and if they vote in they'll have to play ball with the rest of the UK. 3) Try to do everything they can to block Brexit. I can see why her preference is for option 3 as I don't see the first two working well for her. Edited by Part Time James (11 Nov 2016 1.44pm)
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| Part Time James 11 Nov 16 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
With the UK leaving I don't think they will have the slightest difficulty in joining, although the situation would have been different as long as the UK was still a member. The EU will be falling over themselves to accommodate the Scots. The only reason I can see the EU "falling over themselves" to accommodate Scotland is if they thought it'd be two fingers to the rest of the UK.
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