Russell Brand - class warrior or complete bell end
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Having just watched last night's Question Time, I have to say Brand's behaviour and his simplistic ' solutions ' to complex problems has resulted in my re-enforced view that he truly is a bell end. I thought he was called out by the guy that suggested he stood as an MP himself. It's all very well railing against politicians on all sides but this is a system that can only be changed from within. I never have found him funny as a ' comedian ', but these attempts at being taken seriously i find hilarious. You are allowed forthright opinions without being obligated to stand as an MP. Arguably it's easier to help people while outside of the system because once you're an MP expectations are heaped upon you, many of which have nothing to do with helping anyone.
As was pointed out on the show, he has millions of Twitter followers so he has an audience for his views that politicians do not have. The best advice he could come up with was to not vote for anybody....what will that change ? I'm interested to know how you arrived at the above ? And where it fits in with what RB is doing ? That's not meant as a criticism, I just don't quite get it ! His view is that within the current system there is nothing much to vote for and that you don't get what you vote for anyway. When you look at Lib Dem voters being let down on tuition fees, Conservative voters on immigration, you can see where he's coming from. Money talks in politics, your vote often doesn't. Of course people hold differing views what to do when we feel that 'the system is broken'. Many people concerned about the latter issue are voting UKIP, but within the first past the post system will it really amount to anything? Sure the Tories are ramping up the tough talk, but will it result in anything truly significant? And if it doesn't then what? People are disillusions in a variety of ways and so unlike many, whether it's a Farage supporter or a Brand I wouldn't want to mock or write off their frustrations when neither of them are 'wrong' per say. As for thinking that Brand is better off not standing, well he's just not cut from that cloth is he? He holds a real passion for those struggling with drug addiction, and for instance those fighting to keep their homes on estates not dissimilar from the area he grew up. If he was a politician, he'd end up adhering to whatever the party line was, not getting amongst it. Politicians very often have to fiercely defend views they don't even believe in. It's not within everyone to lie for a living. Edited by sanitycheck (12 Dec 2014 3.46pm) And tell me, what does Russell Brand's colon look like? There is to much to unpick here so will only focus on the biggest issue - he doesn't have to 'tow a party line' he can stand as an independent. Remember Martin Bell? He could then be his own man. However, he is scared s***less by the prospect of not winning. That is all. Your emperor has no clothes on. My post was really quite even handed actually. Try it you might like it. Edited by sanitycheck (12 Dec 2014 4.23pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Dec 14 4.38pm |
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Quote NEILLO at 12 Dec 2014 12.51pm
Having just watched last night's Question Time, I have to say Brand's behaviour and his simplistic ' solutions ' to complex problems has resulted in my re-enforced view that he truly is a bell end. I thought he was called out by the guy that suggested he stood as an MP himself. It's all very well railing against politicians on all sides but this is a system that can only be changed from within. I never have found him funny as a ' comedian ', but these attempts at being taken seriously i find hilarious. The battle cry of those who will compromise and be corrupted into the system. If the problem lies within parilmentary constitutional democracy, becoming an MP will not offer a solution other than parliamentary constitutional ones. The system is sufficiently loaded as to prevent change - The Lib Dems have been in the system for most of my life, won a decent number of seats, and their best achievement has to be the conservative partys whipping boys (and alientate their own support). Change to a system generally comes from outside, when it comes from inside, its usually because the outside forces influence. Most change generally happens because people stand up and fight, metaphorically, politically and literally for it.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Dec 14 4.45pm |
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Having just watched last night's Question Time, I have to say Brand's behaviour and his simplistic ' solutions ' to complex problems has resulted in my re-enforced view that he truly is a bell end. I thought he was called out by the guy that suggested he stood as an MP himself. It's all very well railing against politicians on all sides but this is a system that can only be changed from within. I never have found him funny as a ' comedian ', but these attempts at being taken seriously i find hilarious. You are allowed forthright opinions without being obligated to stand as an MP. Arguably it's easier to help people while outside of the system because once you're an MP expectations are heaped upon you, many of which have nothing to do with helping anyone.
As was pointed out on the show, he has millions of Twitter followers so he has an audience for his views that politicians do not have. The best advice he could come up with was to not vote for anybody....what will that change ? I'm interested to know how you arrived at the above ? And where it fits in with what RB is doing ? That's not meant as a criticism, I just don't quite get it ! I generally agree, although the correct sentiment should be 'don't vote for anyone you don't support the policies of'. If your a green, don't vote labour just because you prefer them to the conseravtives etc. That's just self defeating logic. Vote for the candidate that represents your politics, not your disdain.
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I was under the impression that people pay their rent to a landlord. If we all followed where every penny we spend went to I'm sure we'd all realise we're hypocrites. It's easy to point the finger but at least Brand is fighting to help with issues like the new era estate even if he does get flack along the way. Without his fame and riches no-one even would be listening - that's his entire point. If he lived in a £100,000 grand house the narrative would be that he's mentally ill, so there's always an angle. National Newspapers view those speaking out on these issues to be worthy of front page character assassinations. That is the real story.
Before we get too carried away, how interested would Brand be in all this if it didn't result in lots and lots of media coverage for Mr R. Brand Esq? I was at a gala dinner recently where they handed out a charity award. The ten or so charities on the shortlist were run by modest people who devote their lives, quietly and not in front of the cameras, to helping people worse off than them. But some alleged comedian who went out with Katy Perry spouts some facile, intellectually redundant student lefty rubbish and the media are all over him like a tramp on chips. I understand the reasons why, but let's please put Mr Brand's supposed do-gooding into perspective. He's not exactly Robin bleeding Hood.
He speaks from the heart and is passionate. If he wanted more media coverage, he could just make another movie, tv show or comedy tour. Ha ha ha ha ha, he'll get more coverage as some kind of warrior than any of those pursuits you mention.
Also, I am sure he could easily get a weekly spot on TV having his on TV chat show. My point is, he can get coverage elsewhere (doing other things), but he has found something he is passionate in and its easy to see that in the way he speaks. I very much doubt it is because of selfish reasons.
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Quote NEILLO at 12 Dec 2014 1.31pm
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Quote NEILLO at 12 Dec 2014 12.51pm
Having just watched last night's Question Time, I have to say Brand's behaviour and his simplistic ' solutions ' to complex problems has resulted in my re-enforced view that he truly is a bell end. I thought he was called out by the guy that suggested he stood as an MP himself. It's all very well railing against politicians on all sides but this is a system that can only be changed from within. I never have found him funny as a ' comedian ', but these attempts at being taken seriously i find hilarious. You are allowed forthright opinions without being obligated to stand as an MP. Arguably it's easier to help people while outside of the system because once you're an MP expectations are heaped upon you, many of which have nothing to do with helping anyone.
As was pointed out on the show, he has millions of Twitter followers so he has an audience for his views that politicians do not have. The best advice he could come up with was to not vote for anybody....what will that change ? I'm interested to know how you arrived at the above ? And where it fits in with what RB is doing ? That's not meant as a criticism, I just don't quite get it ! I generally agree, although the correct sentiment should be 'don't vote for anyone you don't support the policies of'. If your a green, don't vote labour just because you prefer them to the conseravtives etc. That's just self defeating logic. Vote for the candidate that represents your politics, not your disdain. That's pretty much his view anyway. If people think he's stated 'do not vote under any circumstances' then that's clearly a misrepresentation. A proportional representation system would make voting more worthwhile and diversify choice. There's not much support for that though.
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| Palace_Guard Kyiv 12 Dec 14 5.10pm |
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Brand never said "do not vote", he said "there is nothing worth voting for". A difference. ALso, there must be other ways to change the system other than from the inside? No?
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| Stuk Top half 12 Dec 14 5.15pm |
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Quote Palace_Guard at 12 Dec 2014 5.04pm
Quote Plane at 12 Dec 2014 2.28pm
Quote Palace_Guard at 12 Dec 2014 2.22pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 04 Dec 2014 1.31pm
Quote sanitycheck at 04 Dec 2014 1.16pm
I was under the impression that people pay their rent to a landlord. If we all followed where every penny we spend went to I'm sure we'd all realise we're hypocrites. It's easy to point the finger but at least Brand is fighting to help with issues like the new era estate even if he does get flack along the way. Without his fame and riches no-one even would be listening - that's his entire point. If he lived in a £100,000 grand house the narrative would be that he's mentally ill, so there's always an angle. National Newspapers view those speaking out on these issues to be worthy of front page character assassinations. That is the real story.
Before we get too carried away, how interested would Brand be in all this if it didn't result in lots and lots of media coverage for Mr R. Brand Esq? I was at a gala dinner recently where they handed out a charity award. The ten or so charities on the shortlist were run by modest people who devote their lives, quietly and not in front of the cameras, to helping people worse off than them. But some alleged comedian who went out with Katy Perry spouts some facile, intellectually redundant student lefty rubbish and the media are all over him like a tramp on chips. I understand the reasons why, but let's please put Mr Brand's supposed do-gooding into perspective. He's not exactly Robin bleeding Hood.
He speaks from the heart and is passionate. If he wanted more media coverage, he could just make another movie, tv show or comedy tour. Ha ha ha ha ha, he'll get more coverage as some kind of warrior than any of those pursuits you mention.
Also, I am sure he could easily get a weekly spot on TV having his on TV chat show. My point is, he can get coverage elsewhere (doing other things), but he has found something he is passionate in and its easy to see that in the way he speaks. I very much doubt it is because of selfish reasons.
I'm not surprised you didn't choose Arthur though, which he was in (note, was in and not made) after those, as the star, and it bombed. I'll make it easier. When was the last time he was in the paper for days on end? Answer, after abusing Sachs.
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Quote Palace_Guard at 12 Dec 2014 2.22pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 04 Dec 2014 1.31pm
Quote sanitycheck at 04 Dec 2014 1.16pm
I was under the impression that people pay their rent to a landlord. If we all followed where every penny we spend went to I'm sure we'd all realise we're hypocrites. It's easy to point the finger but at least Brand is fighting to help with issues like the new era estate even if he does get flack along the way. Without his fame and riches no-one even would be listening - that's his entire point. If he lived in a £100,000 grand house the narrative would be that he's mentally ill, so there's always an angle. National Newspapers view those speaking out on these issues to be worthy of front page character assassinations. That is the real story.
Before we get too carried away, how interested would Brand be in all this if it didn't result in lots and lots of media coverage for Mr R. Brand Esq? I was at a gala dinner recently where they handed out a charity award. The ten or so charities on the shortlist were run by modest people who devote their lives, quietly and not in front of the cameras, to helping people worse off than them. But some alleged comedian who went out with Katy Perry spouts some facile, intellectually redundant student lefty rubbish and the media are all over him like a tramp on chips. I understand the reasons why, but let's please put Mr Brand's supposed do-gooding into perspective. He's not exactly Robin bleeding Hood.
He speaks from the heart and is passionate. If he wanted more media coverage, he could just make another movie, tv show or comedy tour. Ha ha ha ha ha, he'll get more coverage as some kind of warrior than any of those pursuits you mention.
Also, I am sure he could easily get a weekly spot on TV having his on TV chat show. My point is, he can get coverage elsewhere (doing other things), but he has found something he is passionate in and its easy to see that in the way he speaks. I very much doubt it is because of selfish reasons.
I'm not surprised you didn't choose Arthur though, which he was in (note, was in and not made) after those, as the star, and it bombed. I'll make it easier. When was the last time he was in the paper for days on end? Answer, after abusing Sachs. Being in the papers doesn't invalidate your point of view. At least it's happening while he is highlighting issues that impact peoples lives. There's more value to that than a Kerry Katona 'I gained/lost 50 pounds' headline. Almost every aspect of what we all do is self serving when viewed what one angle or another. It doesn't mean that's our only motivation for our behaviour though.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Dec 14 6.00pm |
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It wasn't me...
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Quote nickgusset at 12 Dec 2014 6.00pm
It wasn't me... Doesnt really have much to do with anything though does it? Edited by Ouzo Dan (12 Dec 2014 7.37pm)
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| Pawson Palace Croydon 12 Dec 14 7.51pm |
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Clearly a plant as was the purple haired nutter who called out Farage. Shame as it just further discredits the program for seeking controversy as opposed to debating the issues at hand.
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