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View Master Coin's Profile Master Coin Flag 22 Jan 14 12.59pm Send a Private Message to Master Coin Add Master Coin as a friend

Quote sydtheeagle at 22 Jan 2014 11.57am

To answer your questions:

1. Do you not think that IM in particular is involved in our txfr dealings?

I'd like to think he's involved as that's his area of responsibility. However, the fact that our owners seem to handle media briefings on this subject rather than the executive in charge of it worries me. Maybe it doesn't worry you, but to me it's an early sign of a dysfunctional organisation.

Not sure why IM not handling the media briefings on transfer dealings worries you. IM is a negotiations / player personnel guy not necessarily a 'media' guy. Is media even in his job description? To my knowledge he didn't do the media bit at Cardiff and nor do a lot of DoF's. Whether or not leaving SP to basically handle all media responsibilities is the right thing for the club is a different question (which I'm not gonna answer) but IM not doing the media is not an indicator of a disfunctional board room. I could similarly argue that them sitting next to each other at home games is an indicator of a functional relationship - either way would be reading too much into something that might not be there.

2. Do you not think they are trying their best?

Absolutely I do. That, however, does not mean they are doing the right things. It's very easy to put 101% into the wrong action, especially when you're running a company. See the first point in my earlier post, which you ignored. When you start doing other people's jobs outside of your own area of expertise, you can work very hard and care a lot, but still end up making the wrong choices.

You can.... you might not be. One transfer window aside (the most recent one) there aren't any real indicators of 'cock-up'. We've come from recent administration and Championship relegation battles to the PL in a short space of time so some of the football decisions (pre-IM) must have been good ones.

3. Every year under CPFC 2010's stewardship our club improves, whether it be infrastructure, ability to generate revenue, permanent staff, playing staff.

Agreed. And this proves completely my earlier point. In the areas of the club that our owners have proven expertise in (catering, infrastructure, marketing, etc.) they have moved us forwards leaps and bounds. They have done brilliantly. In the areas of the club where they have no expertise but insist on being heavily involved (like the transfer market), we have not performed well at all. This is what is frustrating TP. You could not have made my point for me more clearly. SHUT UP AND LET THE EXPERTS DO THEIR JOBS. Do you think TP tells Browett what wines to select for the club bars?

It doesn't 'completely' prove your point at all. It may 'partly' prove your point but think you're reading too much into it again. To suggest we haven't performed well at all in the transfer market is a bit of an overstatement - basically our whole team is signings post-adminstration so that can't be true. At best you can argue that the Summer was a bit of a catastrophe (which it was) but even the summer had some silver linings (Guediora, Bannan and I think Gayle / Campana may come good long term). Also, to your earlier point, you have NO IDEA about whether or not SP is a good negotiator (for example). All you know is that he ran a good marketing business - what underlines that (marketing nouse, negotiation skills, recruitment etc) is unknown to you. I know somebody who worked under SP at TAG who said that, whilst they thought he was a bit of an arse, he was an excellent negotiator and man motivator. Greg Dyke is currently the CEO of the FA. I doubt they employed him because the BBC (his former CEO role) used to show MotD weekly or because he could spot that Sherlock would be a winner on a Saturday night - its probably more to do with his all-round intangible skillset.

4. Financial prudence is everything im afraid, even if it means us dropping back down for a season as we continue to develop.

Agreed. But prudence does not mean "take no risks". It means take calculated risks, and have a very good mechanism for judging which to take and which to walk away from.

Agreed


Edited by sydtheeagle (22 Jan 2014 11.58am)


I'm probably more in the middle ground than others in this regard. Don't think what they've done so far is completely terrible nor is it amazing.

I agree with a lot of Ian's / Syd's comments - SP does like the sound of his own voice too much and we absolutely should be entitled to challenge views of the owner / manager (I've been vocal about TP strategy on multiple occasions including his casting aside of young / small talent). With that said I do disagree with a fair bit of it too (see above).

I suspect its somewhere between the two polarising opinions in this thread.

 

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Quote Plumpton eagle at 22 Jan 2014 12.49pm

Lombardos Barber, respect has to be earned, it cannot just be bought. Buying the club at a hugely knock down price is one thing. Running it successfully and professionally thereafter is another.

How many mangers under the new owners?

Burley
Freedman
Holloway (who you describe as a "mentalist"
Millen
Pulis

That's a lot in a short time. How many have worked? They were all appointments by the current ownership. I read that we have utilised the biggest squad of any team in Europe over the last couple of years. That makes me query our player recruitment policies and practices. These are the responsibility of the people that run the club.

The last transfer window turned into a last day farce. Players signed that did not make the squad. Players that did make the squad that have hardly played. Ultimately, that is the responsibility of ownership.

You say that we have a unique transparency at this club. Tell me exactly why Freedman left then? What were the terms under which Holloway left? Unique transparency? You can only guess like the rest of us.

I suggest that there is work for the owners to do to gain respect for their ability to run the club professionally and efficiently. You think that is the craziest thing that you have ever read on here and that I am bonkers. It takes all sorts to make a forum!

You are correct with the last piece, everyone has a right to an opinion.

I was 8 or 9 in the hey day of Wright, Bright, Coppell and Semi-final triumphs against Liverpool so i cant claim to have been a massive fan back then.

I do feel however, that there has never been a more positive outlook for the club since then, and thats down to the owners, plain and simple.

I think many do feel that the turbulence is at an end and irregardless if there is some yo-yoing between divisions (which hasnt done Norwich or West Brom any harm), the club is in a place to sustain that and continue to press on with its gradual development.

Next year we're even apparently having a proper kit maker again so im afraid ill always have rose tinted glasses when it comes to CPFC 2010 (i dont include Nike's terrible template kits in that!!)

 

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Quote cornwalls palace at 22 Jan 2014 12.52pm

...if we are to be sadly relegated, we are on the surest footing for instant promotion.

This. All day long. Lovely stuff.

 

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Quote radsyrendot at 21 Jan 2014 4.55pm

started to be a farce again

How on earth is sticking to your guns 'starting to be a farce' !! FFS some of you lot will NEVER be happy.

 


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Quote Plumpton eagle at 22 Jan 2014 12.49pm

Lombardos Barber, respect has to be earned, it cannot just be bought. Buying the club at a hugely knock down price is one thing. Running it successfully and professionally thereafter is another.

How many mangers under the new owners?

Burley
Freedman
Holloway (who you describe as a "mentalist"
Millen
Pulis

That's a lot in a short time. How many have worked? They were all appointments by the current ownership. I read that we have utilised the biggest squad of any team in Europe over the last couple of years. That makes me query our player recruitment policies and practices. These are the responsibility of the people that run the club.

The last transfer window turned into a last day farce. Players signed that did not make the squad. Players that did make the squad that have hardly played. Ultimately, that is the responsibility of ownership.

You say that we have a unique transparency at this club. Tell me exactly why Freedman left then? What were the terms under which Holloway left? Unique transparency? You can only guess like the rest of us.

I suggest that there is work for the owners to do to gain respect for their ability to run the club professionally and efficiently. You think that is the craziest thing that you have ever read on here and that I am bonkers. It takes all sorts to make a forum!


I can only imagine you haven't been a fan for long. I've been a supporter since the early seventies and this club has never been run as well. It's easy to criticise decisions with hindsight such as managers etc but a different kettle of fish altogether making the decisions. I really hope your views are a minority because i for one would be devastated if our current owners decided to sell. I can only hope they are thick skinned because it would get to me if I was them and I read views like yours

My point with length of support is maybe you don't know any different. The fact you've been a fan so long makes you view even stranger. Right from Ray Bloye through to Simon Jordon it's been one dodgy second hand car salesman after another. I would leave Ron Noades out of that because of obvious reasons plus he ran the club well but always did this as a business for himself first, club second. I've seen other clubs with far less potential flourish over the years due to good owners and been very jealous. With the current state of football with mad foreign owners who have no interest in the club the fans and it's history or clubs going bust (we know all about that). I feel we are very lucky to have Palace supporters running the club in the interest of the club and feel very confident of the future with them at the helm wether we stay up or go down. The owners would probably be the first to admit they haven't got everything right all the time (who does) but there isn't a lot that I personally disagree with and I find it baffling that others think they are.

Edited by zico murphy (22 Jan 2014 2.22pm)

 

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Quote Lyons550 at 22 Jan 2014 1.18pm

Quote radsyrendot at 21 Jan 2014 4.55pm

started to be a farce again

How on earth is sticking to your guns 'starting to be a farce' !! FFS some of you lot will NEVER be happy.


spend spend spend whatever it takes is the mantra for some

I'll worry about how the transfer window has gone when it shuts, until then I'm sure a lot is going on behind the scenes.

It seems most clubs are leaving their business until late this window

 


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Quote Lombardos barber at 22 Jan 2014 1.01pm

Quote cornwalls palace at 22 Jan 2014 12.52pm

...if we are to be sadly relegated, we are on the surest footing for instant promotion.

This. All day long. Lovely stuff.


Of the 46 teams that have been in the PL, following relegation, just 10 have been promoted back after one season (two of these have achieved it twice); roughly 25%. So a 1 to 3 chance of 'bouncing back'; not odds I'd jump at the chance of taking. I'd prefer to say that this is our best chance, so far, of staying up and key signings in this window could be an important part of achieving that.

Edited by beer man (22 Jan 2014 1.32pm)

 

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Quote Plumpton eagle at 22 Jan 2014 12.49pm

Lombardos Barber, respect has to be earned, it cannot just be bought. Buying the club at a hugely knock down price is one thing. Running it successfully and professionally thereafter is another.

How many mangers under the new owners?

Burley
Freedman
Holloway (who you describe as a "mentalist"
Millen
Pulis

That's a lot in a short time. How many have worked? They were all appointments by the current ownership. I read that we have utilised the biggest squad of any team in Europe over the last couple of years. That makes me query our player recruitment policies and practices. These are the responsibility of the people that run the club.

The last transfer window turned into a last day farce. Players signed that did not make the squad. Players that did make the squad that have hardly played. Ultimately, that is the responsibility of ownership.

You say that we have a unique transparency at this club. Tell me exactly why Freedman left then? What were the terms under which Holloway left? Unique transparency? You can only guess like the rest of us.

I suggest that there is work for the owners to do to gain respect for their ability to run the club professionally and efficiently. You think that is the craziest thing that you have ever read on here and that I am bonkers. It takes all sorts to make a forum!

I think that's unfair to mention managers; the owners are far from trigger-happy. For whatever reason, two of those managers left, as opposed to being sacked, and one was a caretaker.

There is no doubt that the summer's transfer activity were nothing short of a farce; that has been identified by fans, the media and the powers that be. The largest squad in Europe thing is a little misleading, because it more refers to the number of different players that have played over a certain time; given the different situations we have found ourselves in in the past hour years, it's not totally unreasonable to understand why this may have occurred.

CPFC2010 have made mistakes, and I don't see any genuine fan say that they are beyond criticism; but I do think people are too prone to donning the tin-foil and crying out for some sort of cover-up or scandal, when the reality is either very different or irrelevant.

There is one aspect of CPFC2010's ownership that I don't think anyone can dispute; they have the fundamental security and sustainability of the club at heart. That is their number one priority, and rightly so. They are also still relatively new to owning and running a football club. They have had to adapt to varying situations, from maintaining Championship status, to sustaining a push for promotion, to having to deal with building a Premiership club. We've experienced these things before, from the outside, but we have no idea how it works behind the scenes, and they're doing it for the first time. They are not immune to criticism for there mistakes; they are human, have made errors and have largely held their hands up.

I would fight tooth and nail that they wholeheartedly have the interest of the club at heart, especially from a business point of view, and as such I'm not particularly interested in why Dougie left, or why Holloway resigned, or what the current relationship is like with Pulis. As someone has already stated, Pulis will identify either specific players he wants, or the type of player he wants, and then it's up to Moody to do the groundwork, and SP to sign the cheques. TP may get involved, he may not, but it is IM and SP's job to get signings over the line. Fundamentally, I believe that the vast majority of decisions have been made with the club'a best interest at heart.

They have made mistakes, they have learnt from some, and they will make more mistakes, but I don't think we can doubt that they have moved this club forward from when they picked it up. Not just in terms of playing staff and league, but all the smaller details too. Top clubs aren't just at the top because they have the best squads, but because they have the infrastructure behind it. I have been banging on about infrastructure since May 28th, and everything we've heard from CPFC2010 seems to suggest that they have identified its importance too.

This season, I think I've been more worried about off the field activities and management than I have the players, because it has been mismanagement during this exact situation that has nearly killed the club. Those mistakes cannot be made again, because chances are we may just disappear entirely. A certain player may be the key to staying up, but if he falls outside of an agreed wage structure, then we move on. It's as simple as that in my eyes.

I have no doubt that TP would be very aware of the financial situation at the club before he signed his contract, so I would say that frustration has simply been from other club's asking for too much, or a player wanting more wages, and it's in this respect that I feel we have to accept CPFC2010's judgement implicitly.

There have been signs of inexperience or an air of panic (summer transfers), but bar the Marange farce, I wouldn't say they've ever been unprofessional. The situation highlighted a lack of infrastructure behind the scenes when it comes to recruitment and scouting, but that's what IM is for now, so I thoroughly believe this would not be repeated again, because quite frankly it was embarrassing. When in the media, SP has always handed himself well IMO, and I don't quite understand the "he loves his own voice" critique, because I don't think I've ever come away thinking he's arrogant or full of himself, a stark contrast to SJ. He's sometimes too much of a fan, but ultimately all I see is passion. People see different things, but I always like hearing from SP and never think "oh not him again". What people think of someone as a person is entirely subjective, but I think I can count the times SP have compromised the club or his decisions on one hand.

I couldn't careless what other clubs are up to, but look at what Hull and Cardiff are up against? CPFC2010 are saints compared to those tyrants, and it feels good at the moment to have had British managers and British owners, in an age where foreign influence is rife in the Premier League. There's a hell of a lot that's right about the club and it's a management, and I thoroughly don't understand the doubt that creeps in sometimes, because I honestly don't think that level of negativity is justified. Criticize decisions, mistakes etc, but to question their integrity, as I have seen at times on here, is beyond reason.

I honestly feel we are in a unique position when you look at the makeup of the club and the family in its entirety, from fans all the way up to the directors. Unique in a positive way, because we've come leaps and bounds since 2010, and it has been the most positive the club has been for years and years, IMO. There are aspects of the club that are different to the norm, slightly outdated, need improving or need changing entirely, but in the context of our history and looking at the bigger picture, we are in a great position. This club continues to grow as an identity and a brand, and that's the greatest legacy CPFC2010 can leave us all; there'll be more mistakes along the way but ultimately, we are heading in the right direction for the right reason and mostly in the right way.

 


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Zico, I have been a supporter since 1973 and a season ticket holder for about the last 20 years. This seems to be a factor for you though I am not sure how it affects the argument.

My points are still valid. You have not challenged any of them. I accept that they may not be popular and that I may well be in the minority. I try and put them in a positive way using real examples to back them up.

All that I am suggesting is that the owners might want to rethink how they portray themselves and how that reflects on the club.

If I am a rich man and buy an expensive set of golf clubs does that immediately make me a golfing pro? Should I immediately expect to have the respect of all club golfers? The answer is no on both counts. There is a similarity in buying a football club. Respect has to be earned and I think that our owners are well on the way to earning mine but could do even better.

 

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Quote Plumpton eagle at 22 Jan 2014 1.40pm

Zico, I have been a supporter since 1973 and a season ticket holder for about the last 20 years. This seems to be a factor for you though I am not sure how it affects the argument.

My points are still valid. You have not challenged any of them. I accept that they may not be popular and that I may well be in the minority. I try and put them in a positive way using real examples to back them up.

All that I am suggesting is that the owners might want to rethink how they portray themselves and how that reflects on the club.

If I am a rich man and buy an expensive set of golf clubs does that immediately make me a golfing pro? Should I immediately expect to have the respect of all club golfers? The answer is no on both counts. There is a similarity in buying a football club. Respect has to be earned and I think that our owners are well on the way to earning mine but could do even better.

This. Agree with every word.

My first season ticket was 1970...I hear you loud and clear.

 


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Quote Ian J at 22 Jan 2014 6.19am

Quote FinchleyEagle at 21 Jan 2014 11.26pm

Everyone wants everything NOW or sooner - its pathetic. Have some patience

If you are correct then it appears that Tony Pulis is pathetic as he has gone on record as stating that he had hoped to have signed players by now.

This


 

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Quote beer man at 22 Jan 2014 1.31pm

Quote Lombardos barber at 22 Jan 2014 1.01pm

Quote cornwalls palace at 22 Jan 2014 12.52pm

...if we are to be sadly relegated, we are on the surest footing for instant promotion.

This. All day long. Lovely stuff.


Of the 46 teams that have been in the PL, following relegation, just 10 have been promoted back after one season (two of these have achieved it twice); roughly 25%. So a 1 to 3 chance of 'bouncing back'; not odds I'd jump at the chance of taking. I'd prefer to say that this is our best chance, so far, of staying up and key signings in this window could be an important part of achieving that.

Edited by beer man (22 Jan 2014 1.32pm)

...out of all the clubs relegated how many were in complete dissary whilst being so...I would say the other 75%, at this moment we are not in dissary...far from it.

 


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