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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 17 Apr 14 1.37pm
Quote Baldfella at 17 Apr 2014 12.37pm Quote fed up eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.34pm Apparently Cardiff are trying to say that the result we got there should not stand due to the supposed leak. This smacks of desperation on Cardiff's part but I wouldn't put it past the powers that be to screw us over. This story is on the BBC sport website. Thoughts? Not against you personally mate but you're the most recent poster that seems to think the powers that be would want to "screw us over" ! What do you base this on ? Complete rubbish, Palace make the same contributions towards their partition in the Premier League, they will get same treatment as any other club. As stated before: SECTION B Rule B15 states: "In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club shall behave towards each other club and the league with the utmost good faith". SECTION B Rule 17 goes on, "A Club shall not without the Board’s prior written consent either during its membership of the League or at any time after its membership has terminated disclose or divulge either directly or indirectly to any Person whatsoever or otherwise make use of any confidential information as to the business or finances of the League or any other Club or any of their dealings, transactions or affairs or as to any other matters which may come to its knowledge by reason of its membership save to statutory and regulatory authorities or as may be required by law or to such Officials and Auditors of that Club to whom such disclosure is strictly necessary for the purpose of their duties and then only to the extent so necessary". That to me is what Cardiff may be using as justification for their complaint, I may be wrong but as I read that as a non Englishman, it could also implicate Cardiff for their failings. Also there is no mention of this type of issue in APPENDIX 5 & 6 Managers and clubs code of conduct. So unless the Premier league introduce a new rule, it's a storm in a teacup, as this sort of thing has been going on for years, even when I was playing it was going on, every club tried to get their opponents lineup before they named theirs, and I retired in 1977, it's called trying to outwit your opponent.
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Sg Bilko

Deurne Holland 17 Apr 14 1.37pm

Quote Baldfella at 17 Apr 2014 12.37pm

Quote fed up eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.34pm

Apparently Cardiff are trying to say that the result we got there should not stand due to the supposed leak.
This smacks of desperation on Cardiff's part but I wouldn't put it past the powers that be to screw us over.
This story is on the BBC sport website.

Thoughts?

Not against you personally mate but you're the most recent poster that seems to think the powers that be would want to "screw us over" ! What do you base this on ?

Complete rubbish, Palace make the same contributions towards their partition in the Premier League, they will get same treatment as any other club.

As stated before: SECTION B Rule B15 states: "In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club shall behave towards each other club and the league with the utmost good faith".

SECTION B Rule 17 goes on, "A Club shall not without the Board’s prior written consent either during its membership of the League or at any time after its membership has terminated disclose or divulge either directly or indirectly to any Person whatsoever or otherwise make use of any confidential information as to the business or finances of the League or any other Club or any of their dealings, transactions or affairs or as to any other matters which may come to its knowledge by reason
of its membership save to statutory and regulatory authorities or as may be required by law or to such Officials and Auditors of that Club to whom such disclosure is strictly necessary for the purpose of their duties and then only to the extent so necessary".
That to me is what Cardiff may be using as justification for their complaint, I may be wrong but as I read that as a non Englishman, it could also implicate Cardiff for their failings.

Also there is no mention of this type of issue in APPENDIX 5 & 6 Managers and clubs code of conduct.

So unless the Premier league introduce a new rule, it's a storm in a teacup, as this sort of thing has been going on for years, even when I was playing it was going on, every club tried to get their opponents lineup before they named theirs, and I retired in 1977, it's called trying to outwit your opponent.

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peterg Anerley 17 Apr 14 1.39pm
Looks like Cardiff aren't asking for any penalty against us - only that football authorities should look into it. Maybe they realise what total tw*ts they would look. The right place at the right time
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peterg

Anerley 17 Apr 14 1.39pm

Looks like Cardiff aren't asking for any penalty against us - only that football authorities should look into it. Maybe they realise what total tw*ts they would look.

The right place at the right time

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Charlie Croker Hampshire 17 Apr 14 1.43pm
Looking on Sky Sports, there is a brief mention of the first complaint and nothing since. [Link] Maybe the BBC reporter is a Cardiff fan . . . “My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."
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Looking on Sky Sports, there is a brief mention of the first complaint and nothing since.

[Link]

Maybe the BBC reporter is a Cardiff fan . . .

“My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 17 Apr 14 1.43pm
Quote Sg Bilko at 17 Apr 2014 1.37pm Quote Baldfella at 17 Apr 2014 12.37pm Quote fed up eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.34pm Apparently Cardiff are trying to say that the result we got there should not stand due to the supposed leak. This smacks of desperation on Cardiff's part but I wouldn't put it past the powers that be to screw us over. This story is on the BBC sport website. Thoughts? Not against you personally mate but you're the most recent poster that seems to think the powers that be would want to "screw us over" ! What do you base this on ? Complete rubbish, Palace make the same contributions towards their partition in the Premier League, they will get same treatment as any other club. As stated before: SECTION B Rule B15 states: "In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club shall behave towards each other club and the league with the utmost good faith". SECTION B Rule 17 goes on, "A Club shall not without the Board’s prior written consent either during its membership of the League or at any time after its membership has terminated disclose or divulge either directly or indirectly to any Person whatsoever or otherwise make use of any confidential information as to the business or finances of the League or any other Club or any of their dealings, transactions or affairs or as to any other matters which may come to its knowledge by reason of its membership save to statutory and regulatory authorities or as may be required by law or to such Officials and Auditors of that Club to whom such disclosure is strictly necessary for the purpose of their duties and then only to the extent so necessary". That to me is what Cardiff may be using as justification for their complaint, I may be wrong but as I read that as a non Englishman, it could also implicate Cardiff for their failings. Also there is no mention of this type of issue in APPENDIX 5 & 6 Managers and clubs code of conduct. So unless the Premier league introduce a new rule, it's a storm in a teacup, as this sort of thing has been going on for years, even when I was playing it was going on, every club tried to get their opponents lineup before they named theirs, and I retired in 1977, it's called trying to outwit your opponent. Section B17 looks like it is more likely to hit Cardiff than us as it is all about disclosure of information. We did not disclose anything. I guess they could argue that we solicited disclosure, but cant see it sticking for a minute. Edited by SloveniaDave (17 Apr 2014 1.43pm) Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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Tirana, Albania 17 Apr 14 1.43pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 17 Apr 2014 1.37pm

Quote Baldfella at 17 Apr 2014 12.37pm

Quote fed up eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.34pm

Thoughts?

Not against you personally mate but you're the most recent poster that seems to think the powers that be would want to "screw us over" ! What do you base this on ?

Complete rubbish, Palace make the same contributions towards their partition in the Premier League, they will get same treatment as any other club.

As stated before: SECTION B Rule B15 states: "In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club shall behave towards each other club and the league with the utmost good faith".

Also there is no mention of this type of issue in APPENDIX 5 & 6 Managers and clubs code of conduct.

Section B17 looks like it is more likely to hit Cardiff than us as it is all about disclosure of information. We did not disclose anything. I guess they could argue that we solicited disclosure, but cant see it sticking for a minute.

Edited by SloveniaDave (17 Apr 2014 1.43pm)

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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Charlie Croker Hampshire 17 Apr 14 1.45pm
Quote Charlie Croker at 17 Apr 2014 1.43pm Looking on Sky Sports, there is a brief mention of the first complaint and nothing since. [Link] Maybe the BBC reporter is a Cardiff fan . . . Actually - just looked on his Wikipedia page . . . Bond began his journalistic career on the South London Press covering Millwall F.C., the football club he supports “My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."
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Charlie Croker

Hampshire 17 Apr 14 1.45pm

Quote Charlie Croker at 17 Apr 2014 1.43pm

Looking on Sky Sports, there is a brief mention of the first complaint and nothing since.

[Link]

Maybe the BBC reporter is a Cardiff fan . . .

Actually - just looked on his Wikipedia page . . .

Bond began his journalistic career on the South London Press covering Millwall F.C., the football club he supports

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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 17 Apr 14 1.47pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 17 Apr 2014 1.43pm Quote Sg Bilko at 17 Apr 2014 1.37pm Quote Baldfella at 17 Apr 2014 12.37pm Quote fed up eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.34pm Apparently Cardiff are trying to say that the result we got there should not stand due to the supposed leak. This smacks of desperation on Cardiff's part but I wouldn't put it past the powers that be to screw us over. This story is on the BBC sport website. Thoughts? Not against you personally mate but you're the most recent poster that seems to think the powers that be would want to "screw us over" ! What do you base this on ? Complete rubbish, Palace make the same contributions towards their partition in the Premier League, they will get same treatment as any other club. As stated before: SECTION B Rule B15 states: "In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club shall behave towards each other club and the league with the utmost good faith". SECTION B Rule 17 goes on, "A Club shall not without the Board’s prior written consent either during its membership of the League or at any time after its membership has terminated disclose or divulge either directly or indirectly to any Person whatsoever or otherwise make use of any confidential information as to the business or finances of the League or any other Club or any of their dealings, transactions or affairs or as to any other matters which may come to its knowledge by reason of its membership save to statutory and regulatory authorities or as may be required by law or to such Officials and Auditors of that Club to whom such disclosure is strictly necessary for the purpose of their duties and then only to the extent so necessary". That to me is what Cardiff may be using as justification for their complaint, I may be wrong but as I read that as a non Englishman, it could also implicate Cardiff for their failings. Also there is no mention of this type of issue in APPENDIX 5 & 6 Managers and clubs code of conduct. So unless the Premier league introduce a new rule, it's a storm in a teacup, as this sort of thing has been going on for years, even when I was playing it was going on, every club tried to get their opponents lineup before they named theirs, and I retired in 1977, it's called trying to outwit your opponent. Section B17 looks like it is more likely to hit Cardiff than us as it is all about disclosure of information. We did not disclose anything. I guess they could argue that we solicited disclosure, but cant see it sticking for a minute. Edited by SloveniaDave (17 Apr 2014 1.43pm) That's the way I read it, but being Dutch, whilst my English is good, sometimes the written language can be a little confusing.
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Sg Bilko

Deurne Holland 17 Apr 14 1.47pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 17 Apr 2014 1.43pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 17 Apr 2014 1.37pm

Quote Baldfella at 17 Apr 2014 12.37pm

Quote fed up eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.34pm

Thoughts?

Not against you personally mate but you're the most recent poster that seems to think the powers that be would want to "screw us over" ! What do you base this on ?

Complete rubbish, Palace make the same contributions towards their partition in the Premier League, they will get same treatment as any other club.

As stated before: SECTION B Rule B15 states: "In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club shall behave towards each other club and the league with the utmost good faith".

Also there is no mention of this type of issue in APPENDIX 5 & 6 Managers and clubs code of conduct.

Edited by SloveniaDave (17 Apr 2014 1.43pm)

That's the way I read it, but being Dutch, whilst my English is good, sometimes the written language can be a little confusing.

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highbury eagle Islington 17 Apr 14 1.53pm
Quote Charlie Croker at 17 Apr 2014 1.43pm Looking on Sky Sports, there is a brief mention of the first complaint and nothing since. [Link] Maybe the BBC reporter is a Cardiff fan . . . Latest BBC report. [Link] Life is the same as it always will be, Easy as picking foxes from a tree. M Bolan
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Quote Charlie Croker at 17 Apr 2014 1.43pm

Looking on Sky Sports, there is a brief mention of the first complaint and nothing since.

[Link]

Maybe the BBC reporter is a Cardiff fan . . .

Latest BBC report.
[Link]

Life is the same as it always will be,
Easy as picking foxes from a tree.
M Bolan

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 17 Apr 14 1.53pm
Quote Sg Bilko at 17 Apr 2014 1.47pm Quote SloveniaDave at 17 Apr 2014 1.43pm Quote Sg Bilko at 17 Apr 2014 1.37pm Quote Baldfella at 17 Apr 2014 12.37pm Quote fed up eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.34pm Apparently Cardiff are trying to say that the result we got there should not stand due to the supposed leak. This smacks of desperation on Cardiff's part but I wouldn't put it past the powers that be to screw us over. This story is on the BBC sport website. Thoughts? Not against you personally mate but you're the most recent poster that seems to think the powers that be would want to "screw us over" ! What do you base this on ? Complete rubbish, Palace make the same contributions towards their partition in the Premier League, they will get same treatment as any other club. As stated before: SECTION B Rule B15 states: "In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club shall behave towards each other club and the league with the utmost good faith". SECTION B Rule 17 goes on, "A Club shall not without the Board’s prior written consent either during its membership of the League or at any time after its membership has terminated disclose or divulge either directly or indirectly to any Person whatsoever or otherwise make use of any confidential information as to the business or finances of the League or any other Club or any of their dealings, transactions or affairs or as to any other matters which may come to its knowledge by reason of its membership save to statutory and regulatory authorities or as may be required by law or to such Officials and Auditors of that Club to whom such disclosure is strictly necessary for the purpose of their duties and then only to the extent so necessary". That to me is what Cardiff may be using as justification for their complaint, I may be wrong but as I read that as a non Englishman, it could also implicate Cardiff for their failings. Also there is no mention of this type of issue in APPENDIX 5 & 6 Managers and clubs code of conduct. So unless the Premier league introduce a new rule, it's a storm in a teacup, as this sort of thing has been going on for years, even when I was playing it was going on, every club tried to get their opponents lineup before they named theirs, and I retired in 1977, it's called trying to outwit your opponent. Section B17 looks like it is more likely to hit Cardiff than us as it is all about disclosure of information. We did not disclose anything. I guess they could argue that we solicited disclosure, but cant see it sticking for a minute. Edited by SloveniaDave (17 Apr 2014 1.43pm) That's the way I read it, but being Dutch, whilst my English is good, sometimes the written language can be a little confusing. when things are written by lawyers, then an abililty to understand Double Dutch is an advantage - not sure about normal Dutch though. Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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Tirana, Albania 17 Apr 14 1.53pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 17 Apr 2014 1.47pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 17 Apr 2014 1.43pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 17 Apr 2014 1.37pm

Quote Baldfella at 17 Apr 2014 12.37pm

Quote fed up eagle at 17 Apr 2014 12.34pm

Thoughts?

Not against you personally mate but you're the most recent poster that seems to think the powers that be would want to "screw us over" ! What do you base this on ?

Complete rubbish, Palace make the same contributions towards their partition in the Premier League, they will get same treatment as any other club.

As stated before: SECTION B Rule B15 states: "In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club shall behave towards each other club and the league with the utmost good faith".

Also there is no mention of this type of issue in APPENDIX 5 & 6 Managers and clubs code of conduct.

Edited by SloveniaDave (17 Apr 2014 1.43pm)

That's the way I read it, but being Dutch, whilst my English is good, sometimes the written language can be a little confusing.

when things are written by lawyers, then an abililty to understand Double Dutch is an advantage - not sure about normal Dutch though.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 17 Apr 14 1.54pm
Quote slubglurge at 17 Apr 2014 10.38am Tony, if Fulham need a result on the last day, put the youth team out and relegate Tan's tw*ts We'd have to be careful though or be accused of cheating twice. We could say players were being rested for the forthcoming Whiteleaf fixture? Lend me a Tenor 31 May to 3 June 2017 John McIntosh Arts Centre London Oratory School SW6 1RX with Superfly in the chorus [Link]
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The sun always shines in Catford 17 Apr 14 1.54pm

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Tony, if Fulham need a result on the last day, put the youth team out and relegate Tan's tw*ts

We'd have to be careful though or be accused of cheating twice.

We could say players were being rested for the forthcoming Whiteleaf fixture?

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skatman 17 Apr 14 1.54pm
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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 17 Apr 14 1.55pm
Quote skatman at 17 Apr 2014 1.54pm Palace have replied... The Arkell v. Pressdram (1971) defence! Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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Tirana, Albania 17 Apr 14 1.55pm

Quote skatman at 17 Apr 2014 1.54pm

Palace have replied...

The Arkell v. Pressdram (1971) defence!

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 17 Apr 14 1.59pm
Quote skatman at 17 Apr 2014 1.54pm Palace have replied... Very unlikely anyone at the club would send that sort of text.
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Quote skatman at 17 Apr 2014 1.54pm

Palace have replied...

Very unlikely anyone at the club would send that sort of text.

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