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Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year. . No they haven't.
BTW. I find the whole I'm gonna vote for UKIP to upset the lefties argument very infantile. Not really basing your judgement on sound political nous is it? Plus the best way to upset lefties is to vote Tory. Us lefties are very happy that the right-wing vote looks likely to be split, quite possibly allowing Labour to win more seats than the Tories. With the hard-right vote also coagulating around UKIP that means, for now, the BNP is effectively finished as a political force, which is another reason for those of us on the sane wing of politics to be quietly optimistic, even though the leader of the opposition is the least electable and credible politician in years. If the Tories - riven by infighting over Europe (again) and desperately trying to out-UKIP UKIP - are unable to beat even Ed Miliband then things are worse for them than even their most ardent supporters imagine.
Why not? The snp are lefter (made up word of the day) than labour (who are pretty centrist)
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Seth  On a pale blue dot 02 Dec 14 1.09am |
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Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year. . No they haven't.
BTW. I find the whole I'm gonna vote for UKIP to upset the lefties argument very infantile. Not really basing your judgement on sound political nous is it? Plus the best way to upset lefties is to vote Tory. Us lefties are very happy that the right-wing vote looks likely to be split, quite possibly allowing Labour to win more seats than the Tories. With the hard-right vote also coagulating around UKIP that means, for now, the BNP is effectively finished as a political force, which is another reason for those of us on the sane wing of politics to be quietly optimistic, even though the leader of the opposition is the least electable and credible politician in years. If the Tories - riven by infighting over Europe (again) and desperately trying to out-UKIP UKIP - are unable to beat even Ed Miliband then things are worse for them than even their most ardent supporters imagine.
Why not? The snp are lefter (made up word of the day) than labour (who are pretty centrist)
I'm amazed that a party made up of former Tories, bankrolled by former Tories and further to the right than the Tories has managed to position itself as anti-establishment. But Farage is a canny politician and has most of the media fawning all over him and licking his a*se so it shouldn't be that surprising I suppose. The real shame is that so many people have allowed themselves to be taken in by Farage's "man of the people" schtick when it's so transparently just a vehicle for his political ambitions. He's a politician like all the rest. One whiff of power and his principles will go the way of Clegg's tuition fee "promise". Edited by Seth (02 Dec 2014 1.49am)
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Romford-Eagle  Romford 02 Dec 14 1.31am |
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I wonder what would happen if the UK voters voted to leave the EU, cos Cameron and his sidekick Osborne have no intention of leaving Europe.....
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| sanitycheck 02 Dec 14 11.06am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Nov 2014 11.13am
That's not surprising though is it nick? People outside of the affected areas being frightened of their areas being swamped by immigrants and voting for UKIP. But surely the people who actually live in the areas that have been "swamped" should be more bothered? Is it not pretty odd that those who care about immigration most are those who have witnessed the lowest levels of it (according to the Telegraph's graphic). Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Nov 2014 11.13am
Places like Boston where the white indigenous population live cheek by jowl with foreign workers that pick crops and because of the sheer volume of people now living there cannot get to a GP for weeks, or get their children in a local school. People keep banging on about the economic benefits of immigrants, but if you live in Boston, Bradford, Bristol, Birmingham, etc., you are more aware/affected by the consequences of a sudden dumping of foreign people in your locality and the problems it creates. The UK is a finite land mass and at what stage do we call time on allowing hordes of people to settle here? Isn't the above largely contradicted by the Telegraph's graphic? Bradford West had a by-election a couple of years ago, UKIP came 5th (behind the Lib Dems) with 3.3% of the vote. Bristol has 2 Labour MPs doesn't it? And aren't the Greens getting just as much traction as UKIP there?
Well that's one aspect and reading of it. Additionally though, it's harder to dislike or see people as 'other than' if you interact with them daily and in many cases they have become your friends. It makes people think twice about their values and their vote.
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Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year. . No they haven't.
BTW. I find the whole I'm gonna vote for UKIP to upset the lefties argument very infantile. Not really basing your judgement on sound political nous is it? Plus the best way to upset lefties is to vote Tory. Us lefties are very happy that the right-wing vote looks likely to be split, quite possibly allowing Labour to win more seats than the Tories. With the hard-right vote also coagulating around UKIP that means, for now, the BNP is effectively finished as a political force, which is another reason for those of us on the sane wing of politics to be quietly optimistic, even though the leader of the opposition is the least electable and credible politician in years. If the Tories - riven by infighting over Europe (again) and desperately trying to out-UKIP UKIP - are unable to beat even Ed Miliband then things are worse for them than even their most ardent supporters imagine.
Why not? The snp are lefter (made up word of the day) than labour (who are pretty centrist)
I'm amazed that a party made up of former Tories, bankrolled by former Tories and further to the right than the Tories has managed to position itself as anti-establishment. But Farage is a canny politician and has most of the media fawning all over him and licking his a*se so it shouldn't be that surprising I suppose. Edited by Seth (02 Dec 2014 1.49am)
As far as I can see the BBC and the Sun are not backing UKIP and are always on his case with stories about loony candidates, confusing statements and MEP's not turning up to Brussels etc. Farage is taking a lot of sh1t, but gives credible honest responses. That is why he and UKIP are popular and the Westminster elite are not. I'm no more taken in by Farage than I am by Cameron, but right now he is forcing the elite to rethink immigration policy and I applaud him for that. Without Farage, immigration would not be in the forefront of debate. What happens next May and thereafter is unpredictable but right now he is doing a good job and gets my support.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Dec 14 12.41pm |
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So are those that support ukip of the opinion that immigration is to blame for the country's woes? Edited by nickgusset (02 Dec 2014 12.41pm)
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| Stuk Top half 02 Dec 14 12.41pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 01 Dec 2014 11.16pm
Quote Stuk at 01 Dec 2014 9.43pm
Quote nickgusset at 01 Dec 2014 9.00pm
Quote Stuk at 01 Dec 2014 5.19pm
Quote Seth at 01 Dec 2014 12.39am
Quote on me shed son at 30 Nov 2014 10.31pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Nov 2014 7.09pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 6.44pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Nov 2014 5.52pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 11.42am
Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year. . No they haven't.
BTW. I find the whole I'm gonna vote for UKIP to upset the lefties argument very infantile. Not really basing your judgement on sound political nous is it? Plus the best way to upset lefties is to vote Tory. Us lefties are very happy that the right-wing vote looks likely to be split, quite possibly allowing Labour to win more seats than the Tories. With the hard-right vote also coagulating around UKIP that means, for now, the BNP is effectively finished as a political force, which is another reason for those of us on the sane wing of politics to be quietly optimistic, even though the leader of the opposition is the least electable and credible politician in years. If the Tories - riven by infighting over Europe (again) and desperately trying to out-UKIP UKIP - are unable to beat even Ed Miliband then things are worse for them than even their most ardent supporters imagine.
Why not? The snp are lefter (made up word of the day) than labour (who are pretty centrist)
The only way it could be bad would be an SNP/Lab coalition, if we have another hung parliament at the GE.
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| Stuk Top half 02 Dec 14 12.46pm |
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Quote Seth at 02 Dec 2014 1.09am
Quote Stuk at 01 Dec 2014 9.43pm
Quote nickgusset at 01 Dec 2014 9.00pm
Quote Stuk at 01 Dec 2014 5.19pm
Quote Seth at 01 Dec 2014 12.39am
Quote on me shed son at 30 Nov 2014 10.31pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Nov 2014 7.09pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 6.44pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Nov 2014 5.52pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 11.42am
Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year. . No they haven't.
BTW. I find the whole I'm gonna vote for UKIP to upset the lefties argument very infantile. Not really basing your judgement on sound political nous is it? Plus the best way to upset lefties is to vote Tory. Us lefties are very happy that the right-wing vote looks likely to be split, quite possibly allowing Labour to win more seats than the Tories. With the hard-right vote also coagulating around UKIP that means, for now, the BNP is effectively finished as a political force, which is another reason for those of us on the sane wing of politics to be quietly optimistic, even though the leader of the opposition is the least electable and credible politician in years. If the Tories - riven by infighting over Europe (again) and desperately trying to out-UKIP UKIP - are unable to beat even Ed Miliband then things are worse for them than even their most ardent supporters imagine.
Why not? The snp are lefter (made up word of the day) than labour (who are pretty centrist)
I'm amazed that a party made up of former Tories, bankrolled by former Tories and further to the right than the Tories has managed to position itself as anti-establishment. But Farage is a canny politician and has most of the media fawning all over him and licking his a*se so it shouldn't be that surprising I suppose. The real shame is that so many people have allowed themselves to be taken in by Farage's "man of the people" schtick when it's so transparently just a vehicle for his political ambitions. He's a politician like all the rest. One whiff of power and his principles will go the way of Clegg's tuition fee "promise". Edited by Seth (02 Dec 2014 1.49am)
The fringe parties in Wales and NI are totally pointless in terms of a GE result.
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| sanitycheck 02 Dec 14 12.58pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 02 Dec 2014 12.41pm
So are those that support ukip of the opinion that immigration is to blame for the country's woes? Edited by nickgusset (02 Dec 2014 12.41pm)
1- Immigration policy should to a large extent reflect what the population of the country want, so I see why this issue never lets up. 2- It's easy to blame the poorest in society for everything, especially if they can be deemed not worthy of belonging here. So, yes there's definitely an element of people hanging their hat on immigration as a cause of all and every problem. There's a fantasyland aspect to it without a doubt.
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 02 Dec 14 1.45pm |
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Quote Stuk at 02 Dec 2014 12.46pm
It hasn't positioned itself. If you aren't one of the 3 main political parties (in England) you are by definition not established.
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| Stuk Top half 02 Dec 14 2.19pm |
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Quote Seth at 02 Dec 2014 1.45pm
Quote Stuk at 02 Dec 2014 12.46pm
It hasn't positioned itself. If you aren't one of the 3 main political parties (in England) you are by definition not established.
That they've only just got their first MPs I think we know which one it is.
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| Pawson Palace Croydon 02 Dec 14 2.40pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 02 Dec 2014 12.41pm
So are those that support ukip of the opinion that immigration is to blame for the country's woes? Edited by nickgusset (02 Dec 2014 12.41pm)
However, I would vote for anyone who would give the finger to Brussels because I am growing increasing disillusioned with their policies and dilution of power we have left in this country to decide our own affairs. I believe a contribution of factors are to blame for the country's demise with *unchecked* immigration being one of them. I stress that I am a fan of immigration on the whole but when it is a free for all it just is not sustainable and it has led to problems in the UK with a strain on resources and ghettos being formed. Other issues such as financial mismanagement by lending institutions, external economic factors like the global credit crunch, an aging population putting an increase strain on pension and healthcare requirements, high costs of housing/utilities and an education system increasingly showing it is not fit for purpose. I think it's foolish to say one thing is to blame but I'd argue immigration is a "winner" for anyone looking for votes because the door can be slammed shut tomorrow.
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