yes, but Nick posting that must be part of a bigger conspiracy to take attention away from what they REALLY don't want you to know about the alien elite manipulating our earth elite, no?

That's the problem with going 110% on conspiracies, whereas I stick at about 60%.

Nick has posted an item a year old about an inspiring display of inter-faith solidarity. That's in the context of a ding dong (on which I agree with him) he's been having with others in this thread. As you yourself said yesterday, you only read the title of the thread before posting recently. Yes, of course that stuff should be getting as much coverage as negative demonising of a religious group in its entirety. But, the fact it doesn't does not somehow (hey presto) act as evidence of your view that any concern about ISIS in the middle east or support for it in the UK can be dismissed as rubbish and falling for manipulation by the elite.

Media manipulation of our news agenda? Sure. Global conspiracy over everything meaning any concern about Wahhabi fundamentalism in Europe is pure b.ll.cks? Naw.

You can end up so certain anything in the room is an illusion, you don't look out when you trip over a real chair and so you break your leg...

It reminds me of some communists in the 1930's who used exactly the same arguments to pooh pooh the rise of fascism in Germany...its 100% just the elite trying to turn our attention away from the real issues in the class war...

Its that certainty.. whether the certainty of the SWP,or the certainty of religious fundamentalists of any hue...that is actually a blindness...
Things are much more anarchic and uncertain in reality...

Lets take the case in point...There are, for sure to my own knowledge, quite a few seriously dodgy people out there in the UK who want to promote something seriously iffy in the name of sharia and the caliphate...and it has been growing at a rate of knots ever since the mid 1990's....

And ignoring that on the basis of a diversion by the elite (and of course they are seeking to use and manipulate the resultant fear to suit)is as naïve as believing uncritically in the guff about the war on terror.

However much I may or may not be living in an increasingly near parodic version of Huxley's Brave New World, I'd rather be here at present than living in the kind of place the dodgy geezers I referred to above would like to see...

And if that makes me a mug, I'll happily stay one.That way I have a small chance of not becoming so overcome by certainty (including your own kind of certainty) that I lose any ability to see that you can distinguish a few trees from the wood notwithstanding media hypes and the "elite".

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I see what I see and then make my judgement. Many don't have the ability to look further than the Beeb or equally the want to.
I have no 'certainty'. They are your your words bud, not mine.
Just live your life and accept things for what they are. That's all I do. Why stress about sh-t you can't change and then call yourself 'a mug' for some reason.
What will be will be

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It seems that mealy-mouthed piece of toad s**t called Anjem Choudary would like to live in the ISIS society. I will gladly pay for his plane ticket and celebrate at the nearest airport when he departs.

The fact that he is constantly allowed to mouth off about our laws and traditions vexes me greatly. One day, this little cnut will get his comeuppance.

"Look at that. Accident blackspot? These aren't accidents! They're throwing themselves into the road gladly! Throwing themselves into the road to escape all this hideousness!"

some more delightful people...including a former football coach from Bromley...

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The Al-Mujahiroun referred to were (are?) a group in which Choudary was a prominent figure.

Unfortuantely its an offence for him to board or attempt to board an airplane. That said, I'd be happy to make an exception. The Home Secretary should call his bluff, offer him and his family free passage to Syria or Iraq and offer to hand him over to IS, as well as buying their house etc to help them leave sooner.

Watch him bottle it, and film the whole thing (although rumour has it Choudrey is an MI-5 asset).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Yes, banned some years ago, which is why it was interesting that the link I posted this morning featured a report of an online debate from very recently with someone not unsympathetic to them referring to them in the present tense. Many of the characters involved in it remain active on the scene here in one guise or another.

I take The Sash's point about the intelligence to be gleaned from publicity hungry people operating in the open as opposed to those with a very low profile.