Mmmmm.....But this propaganda also comes from Islamic extremists themselves.

Also there were 1.6 million Muslims in England and Wales in 2001, or 3 per cent of the population....That's according to the census.

By 2011 the Muslim population had grown to 2.7 million people or 4.8 per cent of the population.

By 2050 the Islamic population will....immigration rates being equal, continued rate of emigration by non Muslims being equal......probably be between 15% and 20%.

As usual many on the left won't address the obvious problems......They don't speak out.....partly because of the ridiculous culture of name calling.

Being an agnostic myself I'm not a fan of such large scale religious growth......I want a secular state with rationality at its core.

All I see ahead is more polarization.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Don't demonise a group? I don't

What's your solution? You don't really have one.

People have been waffling about integration for decades...I support integration myself....However integration is mostly a second generation reality and high immigration rates make raising the point almost pointless.

Unfortunately in percentage terms some cultures absorb better than others.

If I had my way I would restrict the number of immigrants coming into Britain coming from anywhere. Unfortunately some cultures are more religious than others......I believe the future for this country is secular and that should be reflected in the numbers that we let in.

That's the solution....No one's going to stop people having children. But If I could stop people coming to this country who don't like western values I would...But there's no fair way of doing that.

Governments of both ideologies for different purposes have made life for the working classes far worse....High level immigration has been one of their tools.

But I blame the left more than the right....Because I believe it's their wish for egalitarianism that wishes to turn this country....is turning this country into the meaningless cultural diversity cake that they love so much.

There are wealthy elements of the right who like high immigration because it's cheaper for their businessness....But they mostly just care about themselves anyway.....When they have enough money a good load of them mostly sod off to Spain or elsewhere.....Then moan about the country going to the dogs.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2014 2.22pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

On the issue of integration - this has been used as a stick to beat migrant communities with for a century or more. For instance, (Sir John Pedder - Home Office Permanent Secretary in 1924):
“Speaking roughly, the Latin, Teuton and Scandinavian races ... are easily assimilated. On the other hand, Slavs, Jews and other races from Central and Eastern parts of Europe stand in quite a different position. They do not want to be assimilated in the same way and do not readily identify themselves with this country. Even the British born Jews, for instance, speak of themselves as a ‘community’, separate to a considerable degree and different from the British people”.
What is needed is time and a couple of generations down the line things will probably look very different. All the time though that the 1st generation pakistani parents insist on bringing 1st cousins from overseas for traditional marriages the community will be held back. It might also be noted that cultural assimilation is hardly helped by religious schools which should be stamped out rather than encouraged.

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

The people who lump the whole Muslim community together as one are the Muslims by virtue of being Muslim.......I don't lump them together outside of that....Like all groups they are a mixture of sub groups.....However, they all share a religious conviction....And I'm secular and I'm not fond of an increasing threat to that tradition.

Of course most Muslims here are second generation. That's because a generation covers thirty years and the population has increased significantly in that time.

The birth rate from Asian cultures tends to be higher than northern European ones and hence Islamic immigration and those birth rates are pushing those percentages still higher.

As I expect that Islamic immigration into this country exceeds the probable real figure of five percent of Muslims in the country.....Then proper control of immigration numbers into this country would probably keep 'religious group' growth manageable.

I don't believe in restricting people's liberties in terms of birth rate but I would certainly affect the increase in immigrant population coming into this country.....It would be my social engineering and I'd have a bloody good crack at it.

As it is this country is going to become increasingly polarized......All while the many lefties produce the same responses....That there isn't really a problem.....Other than people's whose views they don't like saying there is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2014 4.27pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

And it's mostly the second generation that are being radicalized.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

...one in nineteen by now

.......has our coach driver done a Poo'yet, without thinking about Gus!