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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 20 Aug 15 11.14am |
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Quote dannyh at 20 Aug 2015 10.44am
ISIS are cunce end of thread.
A shame that some people think anyone vaguely left wing is an ISIS supporter or sympathiser. I'd go as far as to say it's defamation of character to even suggest it.
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 Stirlingsays 20 Aug 15 11.30am |
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Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 11.14am
Quote dannyh at 20 Aug 2015 10.44am
ISIS are cunce end of thread.
A shame that some people think anyone vaguely left wing is an ISIS supporter or sympathiser. I'd go as far as to say it's defamation of character to even suggest it.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Aug 15 11.35am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Aug 2015 11.30am
Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 11.14am
Quote dannyh at 20 Aug 2015 10.44am
ISIS are cunce end of thread.
A shame that some people think anyone vaguely left wing is an ISIS supporter or sympathiser. I'd go as far as to say it's defamation of character to even suggest it.
Indeed, except for the possible reality that some people are racists, and object to immigration for those reasons. Its hard to look at say a BNP supporter objecting to immigration and not think, racist....
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| Stirlingsays 20 Aug 15 11.59am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 20 Aug 2015 11.35am
Indeed, except for the possible reality that some people are racists, and object to immigration for those reasons. Its hard to look at say a BNP supporter objecting to immigration and not think, racist.... An unfortunate reality.
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 20 Aug 15 12.14pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 20 Aug 2015 11.35am
Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Aug 2015 11.30am
Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 11.14am
Quote dannyh at 20 Aug 2015 10.44am
ISIS are cunce end of thread.
A shame that some people think anyone vaguely left wing is an ISIS supporter or sympathiser. I'd go as far as to say it's defamation of character to even suggest it.
Indeed, except for the possible reality that some people are racists, and object to immigration for those reasons. Its hard to look at say a BNP supporter objecting to immigration and not think, racist.... It is also hard to look at many Islamic and hard-left groups talking about Islam associated terrorism and not think terrorist sympathiser (or worse) ...
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| Stirlingsays 20 Aug 15 12.26pm |
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Quote leggedstruggle at 20 Aug 2015 12.14pm
Though we have to recognise that most of the people doing the fighting against IS are moderate Muslims who have to live with the reality. I think in the past far left groups made the mistake of providing reasons for terrorism.....They disagree with the violence but agree with the greivances. They shouldn't push these arguments during terrorism debates as the implication is you change foreign policy out of fear instead of conviction.
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| TheJudge 20 Aug 15 12.40pm |
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Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
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| fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 20 Aug 15 1.05pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Aug 2015 11.30am
Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 11.14am
Quote dannyh at 20 Aug 2015 10.44am
ISIS are cunce end of thread.
A shame that some people think anyone vaguely left wing is an ISIS supporter or sympathiser. I'd go as far as to say it's defamation of character to even suggest it.
Spot on Mr Stirlingsays! It's alright for lefties to call right wing people racist for wanting control on immigration but when they are accused of having sympathy for ISIS they cry 'DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER!'. Bloody pathetic. If you can't take it don't dish it out. Just goes to show that the left really do think they are holier than thou.
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| fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 20 Aug 15 1.08pm |
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Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 20 Aug 15 1.29pm |
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Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
Sure in the past immigrants were positively encouraged to make a new start in Britain as our men were off fighting wars and there was a definite labour gap and we drew on the members of the common wealth (and what was left of the empire) to fill that gap, and improve/stabilise the economy. But I dont think you can blame the utter nonsense of Political correctness on economics, I don't know how precisely it came into being but if memory serves labour certainly had a hand in it's introduction and development. I will admit that some aspects (very few) are beneficial, but the downsides far out way the good, take the Rotherham sex abuse scandal as one example of how being PC lead to devastating results.I just want to remind you what can happen when this fear of someone calling the race card on you, can go horribly wrong. Professor Alexis Jay, former chief inspector of social work in Scotland filed a report on the Rotherham abuse scandal. An official report from Professor Alexis Jay, the former chief inspector of social work in Scotland, revealed that no fewer than 1,400 girls in the area, some of them as young as 11, had been systematically targeted, raped and assaulted over a 16-year period. The scale of the abuse was horrendous, the violence harrowing. The key fact about this brutal crime wave was that almost all the predators were men of pakistani and Kashmiri origin, while the majority of their victims were white. That is precisely why the abuse went on so long and the terrible suffering of the girls was ignored. The authorities in Rotherham failed to act because the race-fixated dogma of anti-discrimination meant that they had completely lost their moral bearings and every last vestige of compassion Since the publication of the report, the media has been full of bewildered cries asking why this scandal was allowed to happen. But there is no mystery. The fashionable political orthodoxy that has gripped much of the public sector, especially social work, holds that, in racially prejudiced Britain, ethnic minorities are perpetual victims and white people their oppressors. Immersed in this doctrine the social services and police shamefully refused to confront the reality of predatory Muslim gangs attacking white girls. Further more. Professor Jay records that, though almost all the offenders were pakistanis, "some people in the council and the police wanted to play down the ethnic dimension", while frontline staff were unsure how to speak out "for fear of being thought racist". The staff who did nothing for years are a disgrace to their profession. What is particularly sickening is their desperation to cover up the abuse in their attempt to maintain the illusion that cultural diversity was working in Rotherham. In the twisted mindset of the authorities, protecting their cherished dogma of multiculturalism was far more important than protecting vulnerable girls. That attitude is also highlighted in another passage in the report, where Professor Jay reveals that officials were fearful of tackling the Muslim gangs "because it might damage community cohesion". But that just demonstrates the grotesque logical absurdity of multiculturalism. On a much smaller scale, I have witnessed it myself in McDonalds in W.Croydon, a Black girl was boasting to her friends about how she would get a free meal, she went up to the counter, and without ordering anything just started creating and calling the burger flipper racist, (notable point being she chose the only white male serving). The lad never even got chance to ask her what she wanted, que manager coming over and fawning apologising like it was going out of style etc etc and yes she got a free meal. Yes it's trivial, but not to the lad that may have lost his job. In Summary then Political correctness is a tangable thing we created to aid multiculturalism, it is now mainly used to deflect, escape, deny, hide, the fact that multiculturalism in it's current guise, in large parts of the country, is a failed experiment, and my view the route cause of its failing, can be traced right back to the fear of speaking out. (Political Correctness). Edited by dannyh (20 Aug 2015 1.35pm) Edited by dannyh (20 Aug 2015 1.38pm)
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 20 Aug 15 1.41pm |
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The corruption of our language by the new lib/left establishment has been in progress for some years now. Certain words and phrases are banned altogether. Other words such as 'black' can only be used in a positive way, people lose their jobs and are persecuted for using the adjective in conjunction with some words, eg: John Terry case. Other words and phrases are hijacked by the lib/left and given meanings often the opposite of their true meaning, eg: 'vulnerable' terrorists. Words such as 'vibrant' and 'enriching' are applied to things that the lib/left consider good, or more often, simply that the things in question fit their political dogma, eg: the Muslim faith is not considered homophobic, repressive to women and murderous to apostates. Certain words, such as 'racist' and 'fascist' are used as general terms of abuse by the lib/left, the words themselves have practically lost all real meaning - I personally have been called a fascist on this forum for not housing an asylum seeker in my spare room. Of course Orwell foresaw all this with Newspeak in '1984'. Edited by leggedstruggle (20 Aug 2015 2.03pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Aug 15 1.41pm |
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Quote fed up eagle at 20 Aug 2015 1.08pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
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