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ghosteagle 31 Mar 15 1.17pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 1.01pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 12.23pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 12.15pm Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.58am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.53am Quote The Sash at 31 Mar 2015 11.47am Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f**s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a fck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a fck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am) You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant. Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter. You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm) You can keep saying I'm missing the point but it won't make it any more true because it isn't. I know what your point is and it's simply wrong. The reason the political system doesn't care is because of people who don't vote and they will care less and less while voter numbers stay around 60% Why should it care? They have a mandate to govern despite only getting 30% of the populaions vote and they are happy with that. 10% voter turn out which would affect change will never ever happen - at least not in our lifetimes - so you are acively encouraging the system that the politicias want by staying at home regardless of what Russsell Brand tells you. I'll say it again, they want you to stay at home so you are aiding the system not fighting it. The only way to affect that is using what little voice you have, not staying silent. Yes, yes - well when you have put your little X in your little box, in your little booth then in a years time when you are still being lied to, manipulated, with nothing different save the face in front of the camera you can be happy in the knowledge whoever got in you contributed to it. You do miss the point which you still haven't addressed - why on earth should I vote when there isn't anything to vote for ? My vote should be a precious commodity - nothing something to throw away just because.... Whatever way you dress it you are wrong - you are simply perpetuating the system. You are voting for choice and change ? Sorry no you aren't and you're kidding yourself. Until real choice and real opportunity for change come then I wont. To quote the rather clever and astute Mark Twain ' If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it' - never mores so has that been true. If you cant see that well.... Ok, if you believe that your tiny bit of inaction because none of the parties are completely speak to you persionally can make a change then that's your call and in a democracy you have every right to do it but you're not gaining anything from it. You've already said that you considered Green but changed your mind when you heard Natalie Bennett speak (don't blame you) but if the Greens got more votes they might start to see themselves as more credible, wonder how many votes they could have got with someone who can string a sentence together, and get a more credible leader in. Who knows? If they stay around where they are, they'll probably just think 'job well done' and carry on as normal. Voting might affect change. Might not. Nothing is certain in this world but the only way of finding out is voting. I prefer to think that action matters - sitting at home doing nothing has achieved the square route of nothing. Ever. If 2 million of those 35% that don't vote suddenly went and voted Green then Labour would have no choice but to see that the voters are out there and worth trying to win over. They aren't apathetic. As it stands, that's all you are. What can labour do? The only people they can go for and who actually vote are in the political centre. You staying at home is irrelevant to them as it's pure apathy and as far as they are concerned you may as well just be staying at home to eat lard. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 1.02pm) Neither sitting at home, nor voting achieve nada. But at least remaining within my abode is more relaxing.
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ghosteagle

31 Mar 15 1.17pm

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Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them.

If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well.

There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all.

Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f***s about your opinion if you don't vote.

Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)

Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you.

Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a f*ck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a f*ck about you either.

Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem.

You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it.

Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 11.49am)

You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.

Again - missing the point entirely. You aren't voting for a party FFS you are voting for the perpetuation of a system that doesn't change or give a f*** about you...there is no real choice in what you do, however much you want to tell yourself there is to validate your worth as a voter.

You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid

Edited by The Sash (31 Mar 2015 12.00pm)

You can keep saying I'm missing the point but it won't make it any more true because it isn't. I know what your point is and it's simply wrong.

The reason the political system doesn't care is because of people who don't vote and they will care less and less while voter numbers stay around 60%

Why should it care? They have a mandate to govern despite only getting 30% of the populaions vote and they are happy with that.

10% voter turn out which would affect change will never ever happen - at least not in our lifetimes - so you are acively encouraging the system that the politicias want by staying at home regardless of what Russsell Brand tells you.

I'll say it again, they want you to stay at home so you are aiding the system not fighting it. The only way to affect that is using what little voice you have, not staying silent.

Yes, yes - well when you have put your little X in your little box, in your little booth then in a years time when you are still being lied to, manipulated, with nothing different save the face in front of the camera you can be happy in the knowledge whoever got in you contributed to it.

You do miss the point which you still haven't addressed - why on earth should I vote when there isn't anything to vote for ? My vote should be a precious commodity - nothing something to throw away just because....

Whatever way you dress it you are wrong - you are simply perpetuating the system. You are voting for choice and change ? Sorry no you aren't and you're kidding yourself.

Until real choice and real opportunity for change come then I wont.

To quote the rather clever and astute Mark Twain ' If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it' - never mores so has that been true.

If you cant see that well....

Ok, if you believe that your tiny bit of inaction because none of the parties are completely speak to you persionally can make a change then that's your call and in a democracy you have every right to do it but you're not gaining anything from it.

You've already said that you considered Green but changed your mind when you heard Natalie Bennett speak (don't blame you) but if the Greens got more votes they might start to see themselves as more credible, wonder how many votes they could have got with someone who can string a sentence together, and get a more credible leader in. Who knows? If they stay around where they are, they'll probably just think 'job well done' and carry on as normal. Voting might affect change. Might not. Nothing is certain in this world but the only way of finding out is voting.

I prefer to think that action matters - sitting at home doing nothing has achieved the square route of nothing. Ever. If 2 million of those 35% that don't vote suddenly went and voted Green then Labour would have no choice but to see that the voters are out there and worth trying to win over. They aren't apathetic. As it stands, that's all you are.

What can labour do? The only people they can go for and who actually vote are in the political centre. You staying at home is irrelevant to them as it's pure apathy and as far as they are concerned you may as well just be staying at home to eat lard.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 1.02pm)

Neither sitting at home, nor voting achieve nada. But at least remaining within my abode is more relaxing.

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 31 Mar 15 1.40pm
Do people really think that all those Scottish people voting SNP will achieve nothing? At the very worst, Labour will lose the election so will have to try and win those voters back and at the very best they will be in Government with Labour and will have a real say in their destinity. To say a vote means nothing is idiotic.
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EricYoung'sSweatBand

31 Mar 15 1.40pm

Do people really think that all those Scottish people voting SNP will achieve nothing?

At the very worst, Labour will lose the election so will have to try and win those voters back and at the very best they will be in Government with Labour and will have a real say in their destinity.

To say a vote means nothing is idiotic.

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imbored UK 31 Mar 15 1.53pm
Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. People invest so much emotion, mostly anger, brainwashing themselves into pushed and contrived black and white political narratives. Those accruing and most influence and wealth within society already have the ear of the majority of politicians, so hold a more realistic and functional view of the theatre we're all presented with. They can then use this to their advantage while the man on the street casts his vote and imagines he's 'done his bit, done his duty'. Edited by imbored (31 Mar 2015 1.58pm)
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UK 31 Mar 15 1.53pm

Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

People invest so much emotion, mostly anger, brainwashing themselves into pushed and contrived black and white political narratives. Those accruing and most influence and wealth within society already have the ear of the majority of politicians, so hold a more realistic and functional view of the theatre we're all presented with. They can then use this to their advantage while the man on the street casts his vote and imagines he's 'done his bit, done his duty'.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 2.08pm
Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. Absolutely NOT. Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.”
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 2.08pm

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Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

Absolutely NOT.

Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.”

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 31 Mar 15 2.14pm
Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.08pm Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. Absolutely NOT. Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.” If the era of New Labour has passed, why do you keep going on about what they did then?
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EricYoung'sSweatBand

31 Mar 15 2.14pm

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Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

Absolutely NOT.

Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.”

If the era of New Labour has passed, why do you keep going on about what they did then?

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 2.19pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.14pm Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.08pm Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. Absolutely NOT. Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.” If the era of New Labour has passed, why do you keep going on about what they did then? Surely I am allowed to pass comment on Labour's record whether they be "New Labour" or "Old Labour". In actual fact I am quite happy to ignore "New Labour" and concentrate on the Government's record since 2010 and what the alternatives hold in store for the electorate.This is the choice before the British people in the coming election. Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 2.20pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 2.19pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.14pm

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Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

Absolutely NOT.

Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.”

If the era of New Labour has passed, why do you keep going on about what they did then?

Surely I am allowed to pass comment on Labour's record whether they be "New Labour" or "Old Labour".

In actual fact I am quite happy to ignore "New Labour" and concentrate on the Government's record since 2010 and what the alternatives hold in store for the electorate.This is the choice before the British people in the coming election.

Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 2.20pm)

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 31 Mar 15 2.21pm
Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.19pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.14pm Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.08pm Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. Absolutely NOT. Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.” If the era of New Labour has passed, why do you keep going on about what they did then? Surely I am allowed to pass comment on Labour's record whether they be "New Labour" or "Old Labour". In actual fact I am quite happy to ignore "New Labour" and concentrate on the Government's record since 2010 and what the alternatives hold in store for the electorate.This is the choice before the British people in the coming election. Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 2.20pm) Course you can - you've just admitted it's not relevant though Let's discuss ATOS then Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 2.22pm)
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31 Mar 15 2.21pm

Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.19pm

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Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

Absolutely NOT.

Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.”

If the era of New Labour has passed, why do you keep going on about what they did then?

Surely I am allowed to pass comment on Labour's record whether they be "New Labour" or "Old Labour".

Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 2.20pm)

Course you can - you've just admitted it's not relevant though

Let's discuss ATOS then

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 2.30pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.21pm Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.19pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.14pm Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.08pm Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. Absolutely NOT. Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.” If the era of New Labour has passed, why do you keep going on about what they did then? Surely I am allowed to pass comment on Labour's record whether they be "New Labour" or "Old Labour". In actual fact I am quite happy to ignore "New Labour" and concentrate on the Government's record since 2010 and what the alternatives hold in store for the electorate.This is the choice before the British people in the coming election. Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 2.20pm) Course you can - you've just admitted it's not relevant though Let's discuss ATOS then Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 2.22pm) It IS relevant given the legacy inherited by the current government but I am happy to "Park" that and concentrate on the last 5 years and the future as this is important to the electorate.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 2.30pm

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Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

Absolutely NOT.

Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.”

If the era of New Labour has passed, why do you keep going on about what they did then?

Surely I am allowed to pass comment on Labour's record whether they be "New Labour" or "Old Labour".

Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 2.20pm)

Course you can - you've just admitted it's not relevant though

Let's discuss ATOS then

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 2.22pm)

It IS relevant given the legacy inherited by the current government but I am happy to "Park" that and concentrate on the last 5 years and the future as this is important to the electorate.

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Stuk Top half 31 Mar 15 2.32pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 1.40pm Do people really think that all those Scottish people voting SNP will achieve nothing? At the very worst, Labour will lose the election so will have to try and win those voters back and at the very best they will be in Government with Labour and will have a real say in their destinity. To say a vote means nothing is idiotic. They'll achieve nothing for the UK as a whole, the selfish, nationalist pricks. The answer to the original question is, nobody. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 1.40pm

Do people really think that all those Scottish people voting SNP will achieve nothing?

At the very worst, Labour will lose the election so will have to try and win those voters back and at the very best they will be in Government with Labour and will have a real say in their destinity.

To say a vote means nothing is idiotic.

They'll achieve nothing for the UK as a whole, the selfish, nationalist pricks.

The answer to the original question is, nobody.

Optimistic as ever

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 31 Mar 15 2.42pm
Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.30pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.21pm Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.19pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.14pm Quote Willo at 31 Mar 2015 2.08pm Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. Absolutely NOT. Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.” If the era of New Labour has passed, why do you keep going on about what they did then? Surely I am allowed to pass comment on Labour's record whether they be "New Labour" or "Old Labour". In actual fact I am quite happy to ignore "New Labour" and concentrate on the Government's record since 2010 and what the alternatives hold in store for the electorate.This is the choice before the British people in the coming election. Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 2.20pm) Course you can - you've just admitted it's not relevant though Let's discuss ATOS then Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 2.22pm) It IS relevant given the legacy inherited by the current government but I am happy to "Park" that and concentrate on the last 5 years and the future as this is important to the electorate. Ok this makes a nice change If George Osbourne did not know the scale of cuts he would have to make in government, why did he promise he would not increase VAT? Is he a liar or is he prepared to make promises he might not be able to keep? Why did George Osbourne wait until after the HSBC story broke to raise 5.3billion on taxes (according to you). Did he willfully ignore that they weren't paying tax before they were caught out or did he have no idea there was a 5.3 billion black whole in the accounts? Why won't IDS, Cameron or Osbourne state exactly where the 12billion in further cuts will come from? Do they know where the cuts are coming from and won't tell us or do they not know where the cuts are coming from and are making it up as they go along? If there are 17million homes in the UK of working age and 15billion in raised taxes to be made by Labour. How did the Tories get to £3k per household? 17,000,000 x 3000 is 51 billion, not 15 billion. Thanks
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Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

Absolutely NOT.

Maybe under "New Labour" the parties were closer but "Red Ed" has chosen to distance himself from NL saying "“The era of New Labour has passed. A new generation has taken over.”

If the era of New Labour has passed, why do you keep going on about what they did then?

Surely I am allowed to pass comment on Labour's record whether they be "New Labour" or "Old Labour".

Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 2.20pm)

Course you can - you've just admitted it's not relevant though

Let's discuss ATOS then

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 2.22pm)

It IS relevant given the legacy inherited by the current government but I am happy to "Park" that and concentrate on the last 5 years and the future as this is important to the electorate.

Ok this makes a nice change

If George Osbourne did not know the scale of cuts he would have to make in government, why did he promise he would not increase VAT? Is he a liar or is he prepared to make promises he might not be able to keep?

Why did George Osbourne wait until after the HSBC story broke to raise 5.3billion on taxes (according to you). Did he willfully ignore that they weren't paying tax before they were caught out or did he have no idea there was a 5.3 billion black whole in the accounts?

Why won't IDS, Cameron or Osbourne state exactly where the 12billion in further cuts will come from? Do they know where the cuts are coming from and won't tell us or do they not know where the cuts are coming from and are making it up as they go along?

If there are 17million homes in the UK of working age and 15billion in raised taxes to be made by Labour. How did the Tories get to £3k per household? 17,000,000 x 3000 is 51 billion, not 15 billion.

Thanks

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 2.57pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.42pm If George Osbourne did not know the scale of cuts he would have to make in government, why did he promise he would not increase VAT? Is he a liar or is he prepared to make promises he might not be able to keep? You might say it is semantics but there was no firm promise or pledge in respect of VAT. There were "No plans" to raise VAT based on what they did know but a new Government doesn't fully know the economic picture until they actually take over. It is different this time with the Conservatives giving a firm commitment in terms of NOT raising VAT.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Mar 15 2.57pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 2.42pm

You might say it is semantics but there was no firm promise or pledge in respect of VAT. There were "No plans" to raise VAT based on what they did know but a new Government doesn't fully know the economic picture until they actually take over. It is different this time with the Conservatives giving a firm commitment in terms of NOT raising VAT.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 2.57pm
Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever. People invest so much emotion, mostly anger, brainwashing themselves into pushed and contrived black and white political narratives. Those accruing and most influence and wealth within society already have the ear of the majority of politicians, so hold a more realistic and functional view of the theatre we're all presented with. They can then use this to their advantage while the man on the street casts his vote and imagines he's 'done his bit, done his duty'. Edited by imbored (31 Mar 2015 1.58pm) Pretty much it. As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Quote imbored at 31 Mar 2015 1.53pm

Some people do get a bit OTT about whether Labour or Tories are in power. They talk as if it will have a monumental impact on their lives, when if anything the parties are closer together than ever.

Edited by imbored (31 Mar 2015 1.58pm)

Pretty much it.

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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