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EricYoung'sSweatBand Flag 30 Mar 15 2.04pm

Quote Willo at 30 Mar 2015 1.58pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 30 Mar 2015 12.13pm

Cutting taxes for the richest

This is a cynical class war sound-bite trotted out incessantly by Labour since the top rate of tax was cut from 50p to 45p. In reality the share of tax paid by the top 1% of tax payers is projected to rise from 25% in 2010 to 27% this year, higher than in any one of Labour's 13 years in power.

Furthermore the lower paid 50% of tax payers now pay a smaller portion of income tax than at any time under the previous government.


And think of how much more we could get if Gideon didn't allow his mates at HSBC to funnel it all out of the country

One HSBC prosecution over tax fraud while six thousand were prosecuted for benefit fraud in 2013. We're all in it together.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (30 Mar 2015 2.05pm)

 

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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 30 Mar 2015 1.56pm

It's funny how Tories can't defend their record, they can only attack New Labour's record or Ed Milliband's face. Complete silence current Labour policy apart from a plucked from thin air £3k tax rise and Cameron is at it again today using the desolvement of parliament for political point scoring.

Their whole campaign has been run on bile, anger and personal attacks with nothing on policy because they know that theirs are completely toxic. Cameron is a lizard.

Campaign hasn't really started yet so I don't know what you are saying.

Regards Conservatives NOT being able to defend their record, this is utter hogwash.
At the end of the day we cannot allow the economic gains made over the last 5 years to be thrown away by Labour.There is still much to do of course but we cannot allow Labour to wreck it.Or should I say a Labour/SNP coalition !


 

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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 30 Mar 2015 2.04pm


And think of how much more we could get if Gideon didn't allow his mates at HSBC to funnel it all out of the country

One HSBC prosecution over tax fraud while six thousand were prosecuted for benefit fraud in 2013. We're all in it together.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (30 Mar 2015 2.05pm)

This is another jibs beloved of the "Two Eds", despite that chap "Balls" being in the Treasury when the bankers were allowed to run riot under Labour.

Nowhere were the cries louder the other day when Osborne announced £5.3 BILLion pounds of new banking taxes.

Friends of greedy bankers eh ?


 

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EricYoung'sSweatBand Flag 30 Mar 15 2.21pm

Quote Willo at 30 Mar 2015 2.10pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 30 Mar 2015 2.04pm


And think of how much more we could get if Gideon didn't allow his mates at HSBC to funnel it all out of the country

One HSBC prosecution over tax fraud while six thousand were prosecuted for benefit fraud in 2013. We're all in it together.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (30 Mar 2015 2.05pm)

This is another jibs beloved of the "Two Eds", despite that chap "Balls" being in the Treasury when the bankers were allowed to run riot under Labour.

Nowhere were the cries louder the other day when Osborne announced £5.3 BILLion pounds of new banking taxes.

Friends of greedy bankers eh ?


Deregulation of the banks was backed wholeheartedly by Dave and Gideon. It's completely disengenous to blame Ed Balls for a policy that the Conservatives backed and actually wanted to go further

Gideon also announced that there would be no rise in VAT and it rose the minute he came into power so do we take what he says seriously? I mean, he was on TV telling the rich how to avoid paying tax don't forget.

If what you say is true, he could have raised 5.3 billion quid from his mates already but instead chose to attack the most vulnerable in our society and only acted once he and his mates were caught out.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (30 Mar 2015 2.23pm)

 

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imbored Flag UK 30 Mar 15 2.31pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Mar 2015 12.45pm

Quote imbored at 30 Mar 2015 12.29pm

Quote Willo at 30 Mar 2015 11.58am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 30 Mar 2015 11.51am

The 'economic recovery' is minimal and does not translate to pounds in pockets of a large % of the electorate. Couple that with the fact that even though the economy is apparently recovering and all is good, there are horrific cuts still to come and Ian Duncan Smith won't even tell us where they are going to come from as he doesn't see it or the electorate that will suffer as 'relevant' (during the election run in funnily enough as it's obviously poisonous). It's scary if you're not wealthy and you hear/read this stuff. The cuts are seen by many as an ideological policy, not a necessary one.

This is unadulterated garbage the likes of which appear in the likes of the 'Mirror' and 'Socialist Worker'.

It's actually BECAUSE of the difficult decisions taken by the Government in the wake of being left with a dire economy that a recovery has been possible. Of course the work is still not done and more difficult decisions need to be taken to continue the recovery.There is much to be done, we have made significant progress, let's not wreck it by voting in Labour.

I would love to add to this but this will do for the time being. I now have to go out on campaining duties !


The reality is that what got us into this mess and what will get us out of it is minimally down to anything we did or will do. It's a world economy. The banking collapse was global, the recovery will be global. There was no avoiding what happened. Any insistence that it's labour's fault or the tories fault' is a comforting flight of fantasy.

Puppet on the left hand vs puppet on the right hand...


Without a doubt.

 

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Quote Willo at 30 Mar 2015 1.48pm

Quote The Sash at 30 Mar 2015 1.12pm

Economic disaster and recovery reside entirely in the hands of the global corporates nobody else. All governments do is tinker with the scraps and give the illusion that someone is in control.

Hogwash.

Under your line of argument, all governments just need to sit back and wait for the "Global corporates" to do their stuff and "Hey Presto", it will be alright on the night.

Labour bequethed to the current Government a dire economic legacy and have the gall to say it was all down to the "Recession" !!!! Marvellous.

Anyway, take a look at this link :

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Edited by Willo (30 Mar 2015 1.49pm)


Well actually Hogwash it aint Trolley..only blind partisan political types would say it isn't so...and you have accurately described exactly what happens...its global business actions which decide when recoveries start and finish, not the actions of politicians. Politicians and governments are simply reactionary in their local policy making dependant on big (financial) business decisions and simply tinker when the global economic powers decide to circle the wagons


Osborne and Cameron like Blair and Brown before them are puppets.

I am not sure a link from the Daily Torygraph which is titled 'Labour 1997-2010 was the worst government ever and this is why' is something I would expect any political balance or education from to be honest, although I suppose like those good burghers at the the likes of The Grauniad and Un-Independent it helps bolster those of a partisan, blind and politically brainwashed and prejudiced persuasion that only they can be right and everybody else is wrong...

Edited by The Sash (30 Mar 2015 2.44pm)

 


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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 30 Mar 2015 2.21pm

Deregulation of the banks was backed wholeheartedly by Dave and Gideon. It's completely disengenous to blame Ed Balls for a policy that the Conservatives backed and actually wanted to go further

Gideon also announced that there would be no rise in VAT and it rose the minute he came into power so do we take what he says seriously? I mean, he was on TV telling the rich how to avoid paying tax don't forget.

If what you say is true, he could have raised 5.3 billion quid from his mates already but instead chose to attack the most vulnerable in our society and only acted once he and his mates were caught out.


Gordon Brown has admitted responsibility for the errors made in the lead up to 2008 banking crisis.It was felt that the FSA was widely responsible and Osborne announced plan to break up the FSA and give more powers to the Bank Of England. You cannot blame the Conservatives when they were NOT in office !

Apropos VAT, IF the Government had known the full extend of the parlous economic position they would be inheriting they wouldn't have made such an announcement.Remember the letter they were left saying "There is no money left" !!
This time it is different as they know the full
economic position hence they have announced there will be NO VAT increase - caught Miliband out didn't it in the Commons !!!

Finally regards the "Most vulnerable in society", of course tough decisions needed to be made and it would have been totally irresponsible for the Government NOT to have made such hard choices. Don't forget the Government inherited a situation which would have led to an economic state worse than experienced by Greece !
In the final analysis the best way to reduce the numbers who atre "Vulnerable" is to have a thriving economy and to this end the Government have done a good job.

Anyway I am coming off my "Soapbox" for now as I have leaflets to deliver !!!!

I am so sorry if I have offended anyone, it was certainly not intended.All the best.


Edited by Willo (31 Mar 2015 9.10am)

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Mar 15 2.45pm

Quote Willo at 30 Mar 2015 1.58pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 30 Mar 2015 12.13pm

Cutting taxes for the richest

This is a cynical class war sound-bite trotted out incessantly by Labour since the top rate of tax was cut from 50p to 45p. In reality the share of tax paid by the top 1% of tax payers is projected to rise from 25% in 2010 to 27% this year, higher than in any one of Labour's 13 years in power.

Furthermore the lower paid 50% of tax payers now pay a smaller portion of income tax than at any time under the previous government.


But more VAT. Swings and roundabouts, give with one hand take with the other. and besides, what a nation need isn't 'money in the pocket', its the functional aparatus of state.

Is it any wonder people talk of failing Britain, when successive governments have continued to reduce public services (admittedly slower under labour than the conservatives) in order to cut taxation.

Public services are what binds a nation together, they are the fabric of interconnectivity that bring us togeather as a people and feed throughout our culture and identity.

I don't blame the conservatives alone, labour are just as bad, they talk up the idea of nationhood, citizenship, duty and belonging to a great nation, but have essentially spent the last 25 years tearing that fabric apart in order to win elections.

I wouldn't vote conservative, but I absolutely would never vote labour either. Democracy in the UK is a dead horse, and has been since Blair effectively finished turning the Labour party into a Conservative lite party. Ted Heath was more left wing than New Labour.

A signficant part of the electorate aren't even represented due the the abuse of constitutional democracy creating a two horse race for almost every seat.


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Mar 2015 2.45pm

Quote Willo at 30 Mar 2015 1.58pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 30 Mar 2015 12.13pm

Cutting taxes for the richest

This is a cynical class war sound-bite trotted out incessantly by Labour since the top rate of tax was cut from 50p to 45p. In reality the share of tax paid by the top 1% of tax payers is projected to rise from 25% in 2010 to 27% this year, higher than in any one of Labour's 13 years in power.

Furthermore the lower paid 50% of tax payers now pay a smaller portion of income tax than at any time under the previous government.


But more VAT. Swings and roundabouts, give with one hand take with the other. and besides, what a nation need isn't 'money in the pocket', its the functional aparatus of state.

Is it any wonder people talk of failing Britain, when successive governments have continued to reduce public services (admittedly slower under labour than the conservatives) in order to cut taxation.

Public services are what binds a nation together, they are the fabric of interconnectivity that bring us togeather as a people and feed throughout our culture and identity.

I don't blame the conservatives alone, labour are just as bad, they talk up the idea of nationhood, citizenship, duty and belonging to a great nation, but have essentially spent the last 25 years tearing that fabric apart in order to win elections.

I wouldn't vote conservative, but I absolutely would never vote labour either. Democracy in the UK is a dead horse, and has been since Blair effectively finished turning the Labour party into a Conservative lite party. Ted Heath was more left wing than New Labour.

A signficant part of the electorate aren't even represented due the the abuse of constitutional democracy creating a two horse race for almost every seat.


F*ck me I am on a Jamie agreefest today...the world over, partisan and blind dogmatic political obedience is showing itself as no longer fit for purpose

 


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EricYoung'sSweatBand Flag 30 Mar 15 2.48pm

Quote Willo at 30 Mar 2015 2.41pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 30 Mar 2015 2.21pm

Deregulation of the banks was backed wholeheartedly by Dave and Gideon. It's completely disengenous to blame Ed Balls for a policy that the Conservatives backed and actually wanted to go further

Gideon also announced that there would be no rise in VAT and it rose the minute he came into power so do we take what he says seriously? I mean, he was on TV telling the rich how to avoid paying tax don't forget.

If what you say is true, he could have raised 5.3 billion quid from his mates already but instead chose to attack the most vulnerable in our society and only acted once he and his mates were caught out.


Gordon Brown has admitted responsibility for the errors made in the lead up to 2008 banking crisis.It was felt that the FSA was widely responsible and Osborne announced plan to break up the FSA and give more powers to the Bank Of England. You cannot blame the Conservatives when they were NOT in office !

Apropos VAT, IF the Government had known the full extend of the parlous economic position they would be inheriting they wouldn't have made such an announcement.Remember the letter they were left saying "There is no money left" !!
This time it is different as they know the full
economic position hence they have announced there will be NO VAT increase - caught Miliband out didn't it in the Commons !!!

Finally regards the "Most vulnerable in society", of course tough decisions needed to be made and it would have been totally irresponsible for the Government NOT to have made such hard choices. Don't forget the Government inherited a situation which would have led to an ecomic state worse than experienced by Greece !
In the final analysis the best way to reduce the numbers who atre "Vulnerable" is to have a thriving economy and to this end the Government have done a good job.


Why didn't Gideon raise the 5.3b in tax from the banks before going after the most vulnerable? Why did it not occur to him to raise those funds before it came out in the press? He either lied and kept it quiet or he had no idea how much tax was being siphoned. He's either a liar or incompetent. Take your pick.


Why did Gideon make a promise on VAT if he don't know the full extent of what he could do? He's either liar or incompetent. Take your pick.

 

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imbored Flag UK 30 Mar 15 2.57pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Mar 2015 2.45pm

Quote Willo at 30 Mar 2015 1.58pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 30 Mar 2015 12.13pm

Cutting taxes for the richest

This is a cynical class war sound-bite trotted out incessantly by Labour since the top rate of tax was cut from 50p to 45p. In reality the share of tax paid by the top 1% of tax payers is projected to rise from 25% in 2010 to 27% this year, higher than in any one of Labour's 13 years in power.

Furthermore the lower paid 50% of tax payers now pay a smaller portion of income tax than at any time under the previous government.


But more VAT. Swings and roundabouts, give with one hand take with the other. and besides, what a nation need isn't 'money in the pocket', its the functional aparatus of state.

Is it any wonder people talk of failing Britain, when successive governments have continued to reduce public services (admittedly slower under labour than the conservatives) in order to cut taxation.

Public services are what binds a nation together, they are the fabric of interconnectivity that bring us togeather as a people and feed throughout our culture and identity.

I don't blame the conservatives alone, labour are just as bad, they talk up the idea of nationhood, citizenship, duty and belonging to a great nation, but have essentially spent the last 25 years tearing that fabric apart in order to win elections.

I wouldn't vote conservative, but I absolutely would never vote labour either. Democracy in the UK is a dead horse, and has been since Blair effectively finished turning the Labour party into a Conservative lite party. Ted Heath was more left wing than New Labour.

A signficant part of the electorate aren't even represented due the the abuse of constitutional democracy creating a two horse race for almost every seat.



Couldn't have put it better. It's become a Punch and Judy show. Disenfranchised doesn't cover it.

 

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Mar 2015 2.45pm

Quote Willo at 30 Mar 2015 1.58pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 30 Mar 2015 12.13pm

Cutting taxes for the richest

This is a cynical class war sound-bite trotted out incessantly by Labour since the top rate of tax was cut from 50p to 45p. In reality the share of tax paid by the top 1% of tax payers is projected to rise from 25% in 2010 to 27% this year, higher than in any one of Labour's 13 years in power.

Furthermore the lower paid 50% of tax payers now pay a smaller portion of income tax than at any time under the previous government.


But more VAT. Swings and roundabouts, give with one hand take with the other. and besides, what a nation need isn't 'money in the pocket', its the functional aparatus of state.

Is it any wonder people talk of failing Britain, when successive governments have continued to reduce public services (admittedly slower under labour than the conservatives) in order to cut taxation.

Public services are what binds a nation together, they are the fabric of interconnectivity that bring us togeather as a people and feed throughout our culture and identity.

I don't blame the conservatives alone, labour are just as bad, they talk up the idea of nationhood, citizenship, duty and belonging to a great nation, but have essentially spent the last 25 years tearing that fabric apart in order to win elections.

I wouldn't vote conservative, but I absolutely would never vote labour either. Democracy in the UK is a dead horse, and has been since Blair effectively finished turning the Labour party into a Conservative lite party. Ted Heath was more left wing than New Labour.

A signficant part of the electorate aren't even represented due the the abuse of constitutional democracy creating a two horse race for almost every seat.


Its not the fact its a two horse race but because many people just do not want to get off their big fat butts and go along and vote....AND you also find that the ones who shout out loudest about the government of the day being cr@p and useless are the ones who have not voted anyway......this time round you really do have only two choices and that is to vote Labour or conservatives as to let the SNP get in on a coalition is suicide, and again IF Labour do happen to get in its DOOM AND BUST all over again I am afraid so take your pick.....the choice is yours...

 


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