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sickboy Deal or Croydon 15 Sep 15 12.32pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Sep 2015 12.09pm I think the next few years in politics will be quite interesting. Which would be a first for the last 10-15 years. The last election saw great gains by parties that actually weren't trying to be identi-kit parties. Greens, UKIP and the SNP did exceptionally well, by standing for something other than 'more of the same'. Question will be whether Labour can profit on being different to New Labour, or if they'll self destruct like the conservatives did in the late 90s and early 2000 by division. I agree. In the words of the late great Brian Moore "its all up for grabs now". We need 3 strong parties to keep our parliament honest. Unfortunately dont hold out much hope at the moment.😯
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Deal or Croydon 15 Sep 15 12.32pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Sep 2015 12.09pm

I think the next few years in politics will be quite interesting. Which would be a first for the last 10-15 years.

The last election saw great gains by parties that actually weren't trying to be identi-kit parties. Greens, UKIP and the SNP did exceptionally well, by standing for something other than 'more of the same'.

Question will be whether Labour can profit on being different to New Labour, or if they'll self destruct like the conservatives did in the late 90s and early 2000 by division.

I agree. In the words of the late great Brian Moore "its all up for grabs now". We need 3 strong parties to keep our parliament honest. Unfortunately dont hold out much hope at the moment.😯

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Stuk Top half 15 Sep 15 1.23pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Sep 2015 10.38am Quote Willo at 15 Sep 2015 10.25am Quote npn at 15 Sep 2015 10.20am Only time will tell how it plays out. Personally, I still give him 6-12 months, and would be amazed if he leads Labour (or at least a united Labour) into the next election Yes I will also be surprised if he leads Labour into the 2020 election.Corbyn's masquerade as Opposition leader will collapse enabling his replacement by a leader more in tune with the public mood.One suspects that the plotting has already started. Edited by Willo (15 Sep 2015 10.28am) Interesting, concept, but didn't he actually win a landslide victory in the leadership election for Labour - none of the other contenders even came close. For me, that makes him the valid leader of the Labour party. Similarly I'd expect a Conservative leader to be one selected on the basis of those eligible to select a conservative leader, rather than on the basis of what 'the public mood is'. The point shouldn't be to win elections. Turning democracy into a popularity contest simply means you'll increasingly have Government that only represents the views of those who happen to live in Swing constituencies. Personally I want to see distinctive, political parties. Rather than the blur that is labour, liberal democrats and conservatives. Parties like the Green and UKIP have done exceptionally well on the basis of standing for something different, rather than more of the same with different ties. He did and he is, but I'm fairly sure he can still be removed by a simple majority of labour MPs. A bit like Australia do twice a year. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 15 Sep 15 1.23pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Sep 2015 10.38am

Quote Willo at 15 Sep 2015 10.25am

Quote npn at 15 Sep 2015 10.20am

Only time will tell how it plays out. Personally, I still give him 6-12 months, and would be amazed if he leads Labour (or at least a united Labour) into the next election

Yes I will also be surprised if he leads Labour into the 2020 election.Corbyn's masquerade as Opposition leader will collapse enabling his replacement by a leader more in tune with the public mood.One suspects that the plotting has already started.

Edited by Willo (15 Sep 2015 10.28am)

Interesting, concept, but didn't he actually win a landslide victory in the leadership election for Labour - none of the other contenders even came close. For me, that makes him the valid leader of the Labour party. Similarly I'd expect a Conservative leader to be one selected on the basis of those eligible to select a conservative leader, rather than on the basis of what 'the public mood is'.

The point shouldn't be to win elections. Turning democracy into a popularity contest simply means you'll increasingly have Government that only represents the views of those who happen to live in Swing constituencies.

Personally I want to see distinctive, political parties. Rather than the blur that is labour, liberal democrats and conservatives.

Parties like the Green and UKIP have done exceptionally well on the basis of standing for something different, rather than more of the same with different ties.

He did and he is, but I'm fairly sure he can still be removed by a simple majority of labour MPs.

A bit like Australia do twice a year.

Optimistic as ever

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 15 Sep 15 1.53pm
Possibly a Corbyn v Boris in 5 years time? the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 15 Sep 15 1.53pm

Possibly a Corbyn v Boris in 5 years time?

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Sep 15 2.01pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Sep 2015 1.53pm Possibly a Corbyn v Boris in 5 years time? I am dyed-in-the-wool Conservative and I cannot see Boris leading the party in 5 years if ever. Once Cameron departs I suspect Osborne will takes his place. I also don't think that Corbyn will lead Labour in 5 years.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Sep 15 2.01pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Sep 2015 1.53pm

Possibly a Corbyn v Boris in 5 years time?

I am dyed-in-the-wool Conservative and I cannot see Boris leading the party in 5 years if ever. Once Cameron departs I suspect Osborne will takes his place.

I also don't think that Corbyn will lead Labour in 5 years.

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Stuk Top half 15 Sep 15 2.01pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Sep 2015 1.53pm Possibly a Corbyn v Boris in 5 years time? More likely Umanna v Boris I reckon. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 15 Sep 15 2.01pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Sep 2015 1.53pm

Possibly a Corbyn v Boris in 5 years time?

More likely Umanna v Boris I reckon.

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 15 Sep 15 2.04pm
Quote Willo at 15 Sep 2015 2.01pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Sep 2015 1.53pm Possibly a Corbyn v Boris in 5 years time? I am dyed-in-the-wool Conservative and I cannot see Boris leading the party in 5 years if ever. Once Cameron departs I suspect Osborne will takes his place. I also don't think that Corbyn will lead Labour in 5 years. Only in a Blair/Brown sense I think. I can't see Osborne leading in to a GE. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 15 Sep 15 2.04pm

Quote Willo at 15 Sep 2015 2.01pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Sep 2015 1.53pm

Possibly a Corbyn v Boris in 5 years time?

I am dyed-in-the-wool Conservative and I cannot see Boris leading the party in 5 years if ever. Once Cameron departs I suspect Osborne will takes his place.

I also don't think that Corbyn will lead Labour in 5 years.

Only in a Blair/Brown sense I think.

I can't see Osborne leading in to a GE.

Optimistic as ever

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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Sep 15 3.09pm
Quote Willo at 15 Sep 2015 2.01pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Sep 2015 1.53pm Possibly a Corbyn v Boris in 5 years time? I am dyed-in-the-wool Conservative and I cannot see Boris leading the party in 5 years if ever. Once Cameron departs I suspect Osborne will takes his place. I also don't think that Corbyn will lead Labour in 5 years. It'd be a very bizarre scenario in which both parties were led by the candidate their opposition believes to be unelectable.... "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 15 Sep 15 3.09pm

Quote Willo at 15 Sep 2015 2.01pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 15 Sep 2015 1.53pm

Possibly a Corbyn v Boris in 5 years time?

I am dyed-in-the-wool Conservative and I cannot see Boris leading the party in 5 years if ever. Once Cameron departs I suspect Osborne will takes his place.

I also don't think that Corbyn will lead Labour in 5 years.

It'd be a very bizarre scenario in which both parties were led by the candidate their opposition believes to be unelectable....

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Sep 15 3.13pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Sep 2015 3.09pm It'd be a very bizarre scenario in which both parties were led by the candidate their opposition believes to be unelectable.... Let's wait and see what the opposition thinks at the time. Think it will be a different "Opposition" to the present ! Edited by Willo (15 Sep 2015 3.18pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Sep 15 3.13pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Sep 2015 3.09pm

It'd be a very bizarre scenario in which both parties were led by the candidate their opposition believes to be unelectable....

Let's wait and see what the opposition thinks at the time. Think it will be a different "Opposition" to the present !

Edited by Willo (15 Sep 2015 3.18pm)

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 15 Sep 15 3.14pm
Quote Stuk at 15 Sep 2015 1.23pm He did and he is, but I'm fairly sure he can still be removed by a simple majority of labour MPs. A bit like Australia do twice a year. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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Holmesdale / Surbiton 15 Sep 15 3.14pm

Quote Stuk at 15 Sep 2015 1.23pm

He did and he is, but I'm fairly sure he can still be removed by a simple majority of labour MPs.

A bit like Australia do twice a year.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Sep 15 3.15pm
Quote Willo at 15 Sep 2015 3.13pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Sep 2015 3.09pm It'd be a very bizarre scenario in which both parties were led by the candidate their opposition believes to be unelectable.... The current "Opposition" believe Corbyn is electable !
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Stuk Top half 15 Sep 15 3.22pm
Quote topcat at 15 Sep 2015 3.14pm Quote Stuk at 15 Sep 2015 1.23pm He did and he is, but I'm fairly sure he can still be removed by a simple majority of labour MPs. A bit like Australia do twice a year. They don't hang about either. In the morning I'd read he'd been challenged, in the afternoon he'd already been voted out. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 15 Sep 15 3.22pm

Quote topcat at 15 Sep 2015 3.14pm

Quote Stuk at 15 Sep 2015 1.23pm

He did and he is, but I'm fairly sure he can still be removed by a simple majority of labour MPs.

A bit like Australia do twice a year.

They don't hang about either. In the morning I'd read he'd been challenged, in the afternoon he'd already been voted out.

Optimistic as ever

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johnno42000 15 Sep 15 3.26pm
If Osbourne did become PM his closed sessions with the Columbian president could be interesting. [Link] [Link] Edited by johnno42000 (15 Sep 2015 3.27pm) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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15 Sep 15 3.26pm

If Osbourne did become PM his closed sessions with the Columbian president could be interesting. [Link]

[Link]

Edited by johnno42000 (15 Sep 2015 3.27pm)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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