Say enough is enough and do what?

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

Saying the reality of a situation isn't 'demonizing' anyone.

The narrative of 'don't piss them off or more of them will blow you up' is incredible.

This is what being soft focused and liberal concerning multiculturalism over decades has given us.

This country has become a parody of what it once was.

Everyone should feel able to speak plainly in this country regardless of what the group or subject is.

The Islamic religion contains a significant fifth columnist element within it and this takes up an overly burdensome amount of our security budget.

I for one have never agreed with the ideology that accepts high security costs (something you have said in the past was not warranted) and 'insert figure here' mainland deaths in exchange for the fuzzy concept of 'freedoms'.

To my mind left wing ideology has made worse a situation we were always going to have but is far worse that it should have been.

Security is a government's first concern and fu*k political correctness.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jun 2015 11.55am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

And what,pray,Stirling are your concrete proposals for

a: removing the evils of "political correctness" in the UK (I think we already get the point you don't like it and consider it pernicious)?

b: What specific UK legislation would you like to be revoked?

c.Is demonising the many for the actions of a minority in general a good thing in your opinion then? Should we demonise all US white southerners for the actions of the nutty minority,as an example? Should we demonise all Israelis for the actions of an extreme minority,as another example?As yet another example,would it have been OK to have demonised all Catholics in N Ireland for the actions of the PIRA?

d: dealing with/preventing evils such as the attack in Tunisia,the subject matter of this thread?

Edited by legaleagle (28 Jun 2015 12.28pm)

'Concrete proposals'? Where are your solutions? It isn't my ideology that's left us in this mess to begin with.

A
My complaint against political correctness is a cultural one. While I would urge legal action against organizations which 'de facto' sack people for speaking their mind....As in the recent scientist case. I'm not sure why I'm being asked for concrete proposals for stop political correctness. I'm simply complaining about stupid ideas that lead to worse situations for society. What are you suggesting? That before I complain about something I must practically solve it first......That's simply ridiculous.

B
I would definitely stop British participation within any outside human rights act and create a British one instead.

Again, I'm not in the legal profession, but of the top of my head whatever laws were stopping the following acts I would change:
I would make the process of gaining a British passport a timed process that saw immigrants lose the resident status if they engaged or were proven to support groups that used aggression against the British state.
I would shut down religious schools.
I would bring in control orders.

C
I've already said, speaking plainly isn't 'demonising a group'. I'm not aware of anyone I support that is saying all Muslims are the problem or that we should remove Islam from Britain. I don't agree with that.

D
Threads evolve all the time. This topic is related anyway. People are free to continue upon that subject and I'm just responding to your post.

Maybe if you don't think this post should be here then perhaps you should make that the topic of your post and not fill it with questions related to my post.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jun 2015 1.14pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

A. Not at all unreasonable IMHO to ask a poster who complains repeatedly about the evils of "political correctness" and the ensuing negative effects on the country what they suggest be done.

B. Ok,you feel with should derogate from the European Convention on Human Rights of which we were a strong proponent and founding signatory,and relevant UN treaties and other international treaties..I believe the former would mean automatic exit from the EU should signing up for the Convention (these silly continentals think it represents a basic of being a civilised liberal democracy) be,as I believe, a necessary thing to be an EU member.

The law already allows for nationality to be stripped (other than if a person have no reasonable prospect of being granted another nationality).The law already allows for nationality not being granted on grounds akin to those you refer to (and so long as the belief or activity objected to is unlawful).The law also allows for deportation of EU nationals on "imperative grounds of public security".

I agree with you about religious schools,be they COE,RC,Jewish or Islamic.Your proposal would likely face significant opposition from the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches.These being an essence of the "old UK" whose demise you bemoan.

We already have control orders.

C.It depends what the "speaking plainly" is.Some of those on here who repeatedly "blame" the muslim community in some way as a whole,or their presence here generally,or their religion,would no doubt see themselves as merely "speaking plainly".Others might legitimately see the same sentiments as "demonisation".

D.I think your post was much much in the overall context of the developing thread and nowhere have I even suggested the subject matter of your post was not relevant.It seems you have no substantive proposals to offer other than clamping down on the evils of "political correctness".

Edited by legaleagle (28 Jun 2015 1.53pm)

Agreed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)