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Quote TheJudge at 05 Aug 2015 2.21pm

I find it interesting how these issues become moral ones.
Morality and reality are often very different and although morality can effect reality it should not be in denial of it.
The reality is that the migrant problem is not finite it is virtually infinite in fact. As quickly as we allow migrants here there will be another group right behind them. That is a practical problem and one where morality has to be tempered with common sense.
Regardless of circumstances, we cannot continue to allow an endless stream of migration into this country. Any one who disputes that is insane.
The question is, at what point do we say enough is enough with net migration numbers ? Do we wait until we are at crisis point or do we act sooner rather that later and head of a disaster. There will be no point in crying over spilt milk.


we will wait till we sink i'd imagine

 


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Quote TheJudge at 05 Aug 2015 2.21pm

I find it interesting how these issues become moral ones.
Morality and reality are often very different and although morality can effect reality it should not be in denial of it.
The reality is that the migrant problem is not finite it is virtually infinite in fact. As quickly as we allow migrants here there will be another group right behind them. That is a practical problem and one where morality has to be tempered with common sense.
Regardless of circumstances, we cannot continue to allow an endless stream of migration into this country. Any one who disputes that is insane.
The question is, at what point do we say enough is enough with net migration numbers ? Do we wait until we are at crisis point or do we act sooner rather that later and head of a disaster. There will be no point in crying over spilt milk.

I fully and totally agree and your point on reaching a crisis point is oh so true. There is nothing like closing the stable door when the horse has bolted!

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 3.33pm

Quote susmik at 05 Aug 2015 3.22pm

Quote TheJudge at 05 Aug 2015 2.21pm

I find it interesting how these issues become moral ones.
Morality and reality are often very different and although morality can effect reality it should not be in denial of it.
The reality is that the migrant problem is not finite it is virtually infinite in fact. As quickly as we allow migrants here there will be another group right behind them. That is a practical problem and one where morality has to be tempered with common sense.
Regardless of circumstances, we cannot continue to allow an endless stream of migration into this country. Any one who disputes that is insane.
The question is, at what point do we say enough is enough with net migration numbers ? Do we wait until we are at crisis point or do we act sooner rather that later and head of a disaster. There will be no point in crying over spilt milk.

I fully and totally agree and your point on reaching a crisis point is oh so true. There is nothing like closing the stable door when the horse has bolted!


If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

 

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Quote sxp55 at 04 Aug 2015 12.34pm

we should make it more like Jurassic Park


Life...finds a way.

 

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Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm

If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

Legally it depends if they're still citizens doesn't it, but it's fair to assume they left for a reason as have the migrants.

You seem to favour those with families here. That would likely apply to most expats.


Edited by johnfirewall (05 Aug 2015 3.44pm)

 

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Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 3.43pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm

If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

Legally it depends if they're still citizens doesn't it, but it's fair to assume they left for a reason as have the migrants.

You seem to favour those with families here. That would likely apply to most expats.


Edited by johnfirewall (05 Aug 2015 3.44pm)


Checkmate

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 4.08pm

Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 3.43pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm

If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

Legally it depends if they're still citizens doesn't it, but it's fair to assume they left for a reason as have the migrants.

You seem to favour those with families here. That would likely apply to most expats.


Edited by johnfirewall (05 Aug 2015 3.44pm)


The question was purely a hypothetical one about numbers and people's attitudes to a 'swarm' of expats in our bursting full green and pleasant, rather than reasons / family ties.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 4.09pm

Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 3.50pm

Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 3.43pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm

If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

Legally it depends if they're still citizens doesn't it, but it's fair to assume they left for a reason as have the migrants.

You seem to favour those with families here. That would likely apply to most expats.


Edited by johnfirewall (05 Aug 2015 3.44pm)


Checkmate


I love it when people heckle.

See my above post.

 

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Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 4.08pm

Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 3.43pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm

If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

Legally it depends if they're still citizens doesn't it, but it's fair to assume they left for a reason as have the migrants.

You seem to favour those with families here. That would likely apply to most expats.


Edited by johnfirewall (05 Aug 2015 3.44pm)


The question was purely a hypothetical one about numbers and people's attitudes to a 'swarm' of expats in our bursting full green and pleasant, rather than reasons / family ties.

They're not going to be ripping the fences down are they. They can all re-integrate immediately, likely have accommodation in the UK and won't be entitled to benefits.


Edited by johnfirewall (05 Aug 2015 4.25pm)

 

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Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm

Quote susmik at 05 Aug 2015 3.22pm

Quote TheJudge at 05 Aug 2015 2.21pm

I find it interesting how these issues become moral ones.
Morality and reality are often very different and although morality can effect reality it should not be in denial of it.
The reality is that the migrant problem is not finite it is virtually infinite in fact. As quickly as we allow migrants here there will be another group right behind them. That is a practical problem and one where morality has to be tempered with common sense.
Regardless of circumstances, we cannot continue to allow an endless stream of migration into this country. Any one who disputes that is insane.
The question is, at what point do we say enough is enough with net migration numbers ? Do we wait until we are at crisis point or do we act sooner rather that later and head of a disaster. There will be no point in crying over spilt milk.

I fully and totally agree and your point on reaching a crisis point is oh so true. There is nothing like closing the stable door when the horse has bolted!


If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

I do not think there is any chance of that the way this country has changed in the past few years Nick. Its not the same anymore and nothing like they remember!!

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 4.25pm

Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 4.23pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 4.08pm

Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 3.43pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm

If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

Legally it depends if they're still citizens doesn't it, but it's fair to assume they left for a reason as have the migrants.

You seem to favour those with families here. That would likely apply to most expats.


Edited by johnfirewall (05 Aug 2015 3.44pm)


The question was purely a hypothetical one about numbers and people's attitudes to a 'swarm' of expats in our bursting full green and pleasant, rather than reasons / family ties.

They're not going to be ripping the fences down are they. Thay can all re-integrate immediately, likely have accommodation in the UK and won't be entitled to benefits.


Even those ex pats claiming benefits abroad?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 4.27pm

Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 4.23pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 4.08pm

Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 3.43pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm

If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

Legally it depends if they're still citizens doesn't it, but it's fair to assume they left for a reason as have the migrants.

You seem to favour those with families here. That would likely apply to most expats.


Edited by johnfirewall (05 Aug 2015 3.44pm)


The question was purely a hypothetical one about numbers and people's attitudes to a 'swarm' of expats in our bursting full green and pleasant, rather than reasons / family ties.

They're not going to be ripping the fences down are they. They can all re-integrate immediately, likely have accommodation in the UK and won't be entitled to benefits.


Edited by johnfirewall (05 Aug 2015 4.25pm)

So it wouldn't worry you regarding infrastructure if this purely hypothetical (and let's face it, unlikely) situation happened.

 

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