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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 05 Aug 15 4.30pm
As an expat (with no plans to return at present) be sure that if I decide to come back and live in UK I WILL and no border agency will stop me!! For sure I have more right to be there than any Africans or any one else
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the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 05 Aug 15 4.30pm

As an expat (with no plans to return at present) be sure that if I decide to come back and live in UK I WILL and no border agency will stop me!!
For sure I have more right to be there than any Africans or any one else

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TheJudge 05 Aug 15 4.30pm
Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm Quote susmik at 05 Aug 2015 3.22pm Quote TheJudge at 05 Aug 2015 2.21pm I find it interesting how these issues become moral ones. Morality and reality are often very different and although morality can effect reality it should not be in denial of it. The reality is that the migrant problem is not finite it is virtually infinite in fact. As quickly as we allow migrants here there will be another group right behind them. That is a practical problem and one where morality has to be tempered with common sense. Regardless of circumstances, we cannot continue to allow an endless stream of migration into this country. Any one who disputes that is insane. The question is, at what point do we say enough is enough with net migration numbers ? Do we wait until we are at crisis point or do we act sooner rather that later and head of a disaster. There will be no point in crying over spilt milk. I fully and totally agree and your point on reaching a crisis point is oh so true. There is nothing like closing the stable door when the horse has bolted! If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded? A typically diversionary question. To stay true to the thrust of my statement, it would be sensible to ignore sentimental attitudes toward ex pats. Having said that, they are and will always have been British citizens. So who would you prioritise ? Edited by TheJudge (05 Aug 2015 4.33pm)
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05 Aug 15 4.30pm

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I find it interesting how these issues become moral ones.
Morality and reality are often very different and although morality can effect reality it should not be in denial of it.
The reality is that the migrant problem is not finite it is virtually infinite in fact. As quickly as we allow migrants here there will be another group right behind them. That is a practical problem and one where morality has to be tempered with common sense.
Regardless of circumstances, we cannot continue to allow an endless stream of migration into this country. Any one who disputes that is insane.
The question is, at what point do we say enough is enough with net migration numbers ? Do we wait until we are at crisis point or do we act sooner rather that later and head of a disaster. There will be no point in crying over spilt milk.

I fully and totally agree and your point on reaching a crisis point is oh so true. There is nothing like closing the stable door when the horse has bolted!

If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

A typically diversionary question.

To stay true to the thrust of my statement, it would be sensible to ignore sentimental attitudes toward ex pats. Having said that, they are and will always have been British citizens. So who would you prioritise ?

Edited by TheJudge (05 Aug 2015 4.33pm)

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johnfirewall 05 Aug 15 4.33pm
Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 4.25pm Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 4.23pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 4.08pm Quote johnfirewall at 05 Aug 2015 3.43pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded? Legally it depends if they're still citizens doesn't it, but it's fair to assume they left for a reason as have the migrants. You seem to favour those with families here. That would likely apply to most expats. Edited by johnfirewall (05 Aug 2015 3.44pm) The question was purely a hypothetical one about numbers and people's attitudes to a 'swarm' of expats in our bursting full green and pleasant, rather than reasons / family ties. They're not going to be ripping the fences down are they. Thay can all re-integrate immediately, likely have accommodation in the UK and won't be entitled to benefits. Even those ex pats claiming benefits abroad? That's quite similar to foreign nationals here claiming for children outside of the UK, except this actually happens. There are limits for how long you can be away, which are significantly shorter than the length of time it'd take to be considered even a de facto expat. Or do you mean a pension which someone has already paid in to?
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05 Aug 15 4.33pm

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If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

Legally it depends if they're still citizens doesn't it, but it's fair to assume they left for a reason as have the migrants.

You seem to favour those with families here. That would likely apply to most expats.

Edited by johnfirewall (05 Aug 2015 3.44pm)

The question was purely a hypothetical one about numbers and people's attitudes to a 'swarm' of expats in our bursting full green and pleasant, rather than reasons / family ties.

They're not going to be ripping the fences down are they. Thay can all re-integrate immediately, likely have accommodation in the UK and won't be entitled to benefits.

Even those ex pats claiming benefits abroad?

That's quite similar to foreign nationals here claiming for children outside of the UK, except this actually happens.

There are limits for how long you can be away, which are significantly shorter than the length of time it'd take to be considered even a de facto expat.

Or do you mean a pension which someone has already paid in to?

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elgrande bedford 05 Aug 15 4.51pm
I lived in Spain for 3 and a half years...and I came back,am I entitled to? And I knew loads of pensioners who came back. Claiming the pension that they have PAID into all their lives. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 05 Aug 15 4.51pm

I lived in Spain for 3 and a half years...and I came back,am I entitled to?

And I knew loads of pensioners who came back.
Claiming the pension that they have PAID into all their lives.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 5.00pm
Quote TheJudge at 05 Aug 2015 4.30pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm Quote susmik at 05 Aug 2015 3.22pm Quote TheJudge at 05 Aug 2015 2.21pm I find it interesting how these issues become moral ones. Morality and reality are often very different and although morality can effect reality it should not be in denial of it. The reality is that the migrant problem is not finite it is virtually infinite in fact. As quickly as we allow migrants here there will be another group right behind them. That is a practical problem and one where morality has to be tempered with common sense. Regardless of circumstances, we cannot continue to allow an endless stream of migration into this country. Any one who disputes that is insane. The question is, at what point do we say enough is enough with net migration numbers ? Do we wait until we are at crisis point or do we act sooner rather that later and head of a disaster. There will be no point in crying over spilt milk. I fully and totally agree and your point on reaching a crisis point is oh so true. There is nothing like closing the stable door when the horse has bolted! If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded? A typically diversionary question. To stay true to the thrust of my statement, it would be sensible to ignore sentimental attitudes toward ex pats. Having said that, they are and will always have been British citizens. So who would you prioritise ? Edited by TheJudge (05 Aug 2015 4.33pm) I don't know to be honest. Ashley Cole can come back if he wants to play for Palace.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 5.00pm

Quote TheJudge at 05 Aug 2015 4.30pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 3.33pm

Quote susmik at 05 Aug 2015 3.22pm

Quote TheJudge at 05 Aug 2015 2.21pm

I fully and totally agree and your point on reaching a crisis point is oh so true. There is nothing like closing the stable door when the horse has bolted!

If all expats decided to come home at once, how would you feel about allowing them in if we are already overcrowded?

A typically diversionary question.

Edited by TheJudge (05 Aug 2015 4.33pm)

I don't know to be honest. Ashley Cole can come back if he wants to play for Palace.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 5.01pm
Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 4.51pm I lived in Spain for 3 and a half years...and I came back,am I entitled to? And I knew loads of pensioners who came back. Claiming the pension that they have PAID into all their lives. So what's to say that people coming here might go back after 3 years?
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 5.01pm

Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 4.51pm

I lived in Spain for 3 and a half years...and I came back,am I entitled to?

And I knew loads of pensioners who came back.
Claiming the pension that they have PAID into all their lives.

So what's to say that people coming here might go back after 3 years?

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elgrande bedford 05 Aug 15 5.07pm
Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 5.01pm Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 4.51pm I lived in Spain for 3 and a half years...and I came back,am I entitled to? And I knew loads of pensioners who came back. Claiming the pension that they have PAID into all their lives. So what's to say that people coming here might go back after 3 years? Yeah but I had the right to live in Spain and funnily enough the right to live here..........BIG difference. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 05 Aug 15 5.07pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 5.01pm

Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 4.51pm

I lived in Spain for 3 and a half years...and I came back,am I entitled to?

And I knew loads of pensioners who came back.
Claiming the pension that they have PAID into all their lives.

So what's to say that people coming here might go back after 3 years?

Yeah but I had the right to live in Spain and funnily enough the right to live here..........BIG difference.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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elgrande bedford 05 Aug 15 5.10pm
And whats more I owned a Business in Spain Paid tax and employed local people and their services. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 05 Aug 15 5.10pm

And whats more I owned a Business in Spain Paid tax and employed local people and their services.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 05 Aug 15 5.30pm
Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 5.10pm And whats more I owned a Business in Spain Paid tax and employed local people and their services. didn't know the dogging business was so big over there mate why on earth did you return elgrande? I'm off to Portugal next few years (teach the buggers how to paint.) Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents? Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.
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Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 5.10pm

And whats more I owned a Business in Spain Paid tax and employed local people and their services.

didn't know the dogging business was so big over there mate

why on earth did you return elgrande?

I'm off to Portugal next few years
(teach the buggers how to paint.)

Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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elgrande bedford 05 Aug 15 5.37pm
Quote kingdowieonthewall at 05 Aug 2015 5.30pm Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 5.10pm And whats more I owned a Business in Spain Paid tax and employed local people and their services. didn't know the dogging business was so big over there mate why on earth did you return elgrande? I'm off to Portugal next few years (teach the buggers how to paint.) ha ha ha don't ask don't get. Divorce mate...Sold the business and went our seperate ways. Mind you I had a wonderful 6 months after before I came home. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 05 Aug 15 5.37pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 05 Aug 2015 5.30pm

Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 5.10pm

And whats more I owned a Business in Spain Paid tax and employed local people and their services.

didn't know the dogging business was so big over there mate

why on earth did you return elgrande?

I'm off to Portugal next few years
(teach the buggers how to paint.)

ha ha ha don't ask don't get.
Divorce mate...Sold the business and went our seperate ways.
Mind you I had a wonderful 6 months after before I came home.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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elgrande bedford 05 Aug 15 5.41pm
Quote kingdowieonthewall at 05 Aug 2015 5.30pm Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 5.10pm And whats more I owned a Business in Spain Paid tax and employed local people and their services. didn't know the dogging business was so big over there mate why on earth did you return elgrande? I'm off to Portugal next few years (teach the buggers how to paint.) Best to over there with a wad though mate. The old saying in Spain.."how do you make a small fortune in Spain......Go with a big one". always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 05 Aug 15 5.41pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 05 Aug 2015 5.30pm

Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 5.10pm

And whats more I owned a Business in Spain Paid tax and employed local people and their services.

didn't know the dogging business was so big over there mate

why on earth did you return elgrande?

I'm off to Portugal next few years
(teach the buggers how to paint.)

Best to over there with a wad though mate.
The old saying in Spain.."how do you make a small fortune in Spain......Go with a big one".

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 5.48pm
Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 5.07pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 5.01pm Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 4.51pm I lived in Spain for 3 and a half years...and I came back,am I entitled to? And I knew loads of pensioners who came back. Claiming the pension that they have PAID into all their lives. So what's to say that people coming here might go back after 3 years? Yeah but I had the right to live in Spain and funnily enough the right to live here..........BIG difference. I take it then that you're happy for our European brothers and sisters to come here and do the same? My sister spent a couple of years living in Spain , really did her a lot of good.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Aug 15 5.48pm

Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 5.07pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Aug 2015 5.01pm

Quote elgrande at 05 Aug 2015 4.51pm

I lived in Spain for 3 and a half years...and I came back,am I entitled to?

And I knew loads of pensioners who came back.
Claiming the pension that they have PAID into all their lives.

So what's to say that people coming here might go back after 3 years?

Yeah but I had the right to live in Spain and funnily enough the right to live here..........BIG difference.

I take it then that you're happy for our European brothers and sisters to come here and do the same?

My sister spent a couple of years living in Spain , really did her a lot of good.

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