Just got back from Norwich actually

Clearly there is a humanitarian crisis of alarming proportions about which something has to be done.Syria falling apart.Libya falling apart.Anyone who thinks the people are risking their lives on the oceans because they are fixated on the UK and its "benefits" is IMO bonkers.

Got no issue with a sensible discussion about how we deal with it,Europe wide.Only issue for me with that is people who so hate anyone not like them they'd move if people of a different race ethnicity or religion to them moved into their neighbourhood,or would only have a migrant or refugee ever sharing four walls with them if they moved out and booby trapped the place first.For some reason they think people compare such sentiments unfairly with fascistic sentiments.

A sense of perspective is needed.Remember the Vietnamese "boat people".Big big humamitarian/immigration crisis.Lots of people like LS and FUE in Australia proclaiming the world they knew was about to end.800,000 1975-95.Today, situation in source country sorted,"boat people"well settled in most countries they ended up in and making a contribution to those societies.

What is needed is some sensible discussion about dealing with the host country situation,the humanitarian crisis in places like Greece and Italy, and averting illegal migration. Sensible (as opposed to simply hating and obsessing on migrants (any and all migrants) as a point of principle full stop) being the operative word.

I agree, but the 1951 Convention does not provide the vehicle to achieve a result. It was drawn up to deal with a repeat of the 1930s Jewish refugee crisis and not with the intention of dealing with an inflow of unscreened migrants from outside Europe. The 51 convention replaced one drawn up in 1933. Surely a new one is long overdue?

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Thanks for illustrating my point so well

Another day, another load of patronising twaddle from illegal Eagle and Dick Gusset. I've given you an solution, stop them leaving their country of origin, but oh no! We simply must have them here so we can lavish money on them, IT IS OUR DESTINY!!

Edited by fed up eagle (09 Aug 2015 9.52am)

You heard it here first folks. According to Comrade Legaleagle, if you do not share your home with an asylum seeker you are a Fascist - yes, you are akin to regimes that gassed 6 million Jew. Hands up (at a 45 degree angle of course) if you have never given your spare room to someone just in from Calais.

By the way Comrade L. we still await your reasons for why you think there is a necessity for any immigration controls whatsoever, and if there is a need, what they should be.

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Fair enough. Booby trapping your home (having moved out)before a migrant moves in is a perfectly reasonable and non extremist position for an individual to take.Being inherently averse to anyone of a different race,religion or ethnicity to you is a perfectly reasonable and non extreme position to take.Anyone who finds such positions distasteful is by definition plainly a Dave Spart type member of the "new left".

I've already said what my position on immigration controls for the UK is on here,more than once.I believe in free movement of goods,services and labour within the EU because of the overall benefits.I believe in immigration controls re non EU nationals,based on a points-like system similar to that in operation in Australia.One that seeks not to discriminate on grounds of race,religion or ethnicity.Not too dissimilar to what we already have in place.I do not support illegal migration into the UK. I think EU members may need to review the Schengen arrangement (we never signed up). I believe in compliance with the 1951 UN Convention re asylum.A perhaps "middle of the road" position to anyone not viewing the road from a position anchored firmly on the fringes of the verge of the right hand side of the road.

What is your ideal immigration system for 1. Europe and 2. the UK?

What is your solution for dealing with "push" factors in countries of origin?

What is your solution in respect of migrants/refugees who have already reached Europe's shores?

Edited by legaleagle (09 Aug 2015 11.01am)