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elgrande bedford 21 Aug 15 2.28pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 2.19pm Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm Since 1970 Won- Wilson, Blair. Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband. Can you see a pattern there? Not really. Kinnock, Wilson and Foot arguably were all left wing, whilst Blair, Brown and Miliband were right of center Ha ha the original I,m alright jack leftie. Got spanked in the election,then him and all his family joined the gravy train that is the European union. Earning f* knows how much...........f* the brothers I,m alright Jack( think that was a film staring Peter Sellers). always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm
Since 1970

Won- Wilson, Blair.
Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband.

Can you see a pattern there?

Not really. Kinnock, Wilson and Foot arguably were all left wing, whilst Blair, Brown and Miliband were right of center

Ha ha the original I,m alright jack leftie.
Got spanked in the election,then him and all his family joined the gravy train that is the European union.

Earning f*** knows how much...........f*** the brothers I,m alright Jack( think that was a film staring Peter Sellers).

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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matt_himself Matataland 21 Aug 15 2.32pm
As Jeremy Corbyn is an ex-Haringey councillor, do we think he will end up with PIE on his face after his coronation? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 21 Aug 15 2.32pm

As Jeremy Corbyn is an ex-Haringey councillor, do we think he will end up with PIE on his face after his coronation?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 21 Aug 15 2.36pm
Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm Quote ghosteagle at 21 Aug 2015 12.20pm Quote We are goin up! at 21 Aug 2015 10.44am Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 9.53am Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are. Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'. And when there's a Tory landslide, they blame the Murdoch press. And tell themselves that the electorate really wants socialism but is denied it by 'the establishment'. Or that voters aren't as clever or enlightened as us lefties with our 'correct' world view. Well its lucky we didn't have a decade of that with people who were right wing slagging of Labour.... Question is of course, if there is a Tory landslide, five years can see a lot of change. I don't really know many lefties who vote Labour either (most of them seem to vote Green). I'd say maybe about half of the electorate who actually vote pay no attention to politics until a couple of months before the election, when they tend to pick either red or blue. The rest tend to be stuck in their ways and will argue all day about politics without ever changing their vote. It's the swing voters who decide the election, and they will simply hear "more taxes" and vote blue. I don't know how many times Labour need to get spanked at an election with a lefty leader before they realise it only spells Conservative victories. Unless, of course, Jonny Eagles is right which I suspect he is. Lefties love a whinge. So, by this logic, a left leader will never be elected? Since 1970 Won- Wilson, Blair. Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband. Can you see a pattern there? Yes. If you take the first few letters of the losers you can almost make a sentence about Brummy women. FooKin BroMi Cor! When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep. Not screaming and terrified. Like his passengers.
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pom tiddly om pom pom 21 Aug 15 2.36pm

Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm

Quote ghosteagle at 21 Aug 2015 12.20pm

Quote We are goin up! at 21 Aug 2015 10.44am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 9.53am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am

I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are.

Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'.

And when there's a Tory landslide, they blame the Murdoch press. And tell themselves that the electorate really wants socialism but is denied it by 'the establishment'. Or that voters aren't as clever or enlightened as us lefties with our 'correct' world view.

Well its lucky we didn't have a decade of that with people who were right wing slagging of Labour....

Question is of course, if there is a Tory landslide, five years can see a lot of change. I don't really know many lefties who vote Labour either (most of them seem to vote Green).

I'd say maybe about half of the electorate who actually vote pay no attention to politics until a couple of months before the election, when they tend to pick either red or blue. The rest tend to be stuck in their ways and will argue all day about politics without ever changing their vote.

It's the swing voters who decide the election, and they will simply hear "more taxes" and vote blue. I don't know how many times Labour need to get spanked at an election with a lefty leader before they realise it only spells Conservative victories. Unless, of course, Jonny Eagles is right which I suspect he is. Lefties love a whinge.

So, by this logic, a left leader will never be elected?

Since 1970

Won- Wilson, Blair.
Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband.

Can you see a pattern there?

Yes. If you take the first few letters of the losers you can almost make a sentence about Brummy women.

FooKin BroMi Cor!

When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 21 Aug 15 2.44pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 2.19pm Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm Since 1970 Won- Wilson, Blair. Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband. Can you see a pattern there? Not really. Kinnock, Wilson and Foot arguably were all left wing, whilst Blair, Brown and Miliband were right of center Wilson was considered to be centrist by most commentators, and Miliband's personal politics are far left of anywhere he pretended to be while leader, but there were glimpses during the election campaign. But my analogy was really trying to say, the further left you are, the less you appeal to the wider electorate.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 2.19pm

Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm
Since 1970

Won- Wilson, Blair.
Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband.

Can you see a pattern there?

Not really. Kinnock, Wilson and Foot arguably were all left wing, whilst Blair, Brown and Miliband were right of center

Wilson was considered to be centrist by most commentators, and Miliband's personal politics are far left of anywhere he pretended to be while leader, but there were glimpses during the election campaign.

But my analogy was really trying to say, the further left you are, the less you appeal to the wider electorate.

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Andy_G Wimbledon 21 Aug 15 2.51pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 2.19pm Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm Since 1970 Won- Wilson, Blair. Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband. Can you see a pattern there? Not really. Kinnock, Wilson and Foot arguably were all left wing, whilst Blair, Brown and Miliband were right of center Nothing to do with Foot, Kinnock and Miliband all being dopes? The ups and downs of Palace have left me older than my years
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Andy_G

Wimbledon 21 Aug 15 2.51pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 2.19pm

Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm
Since 1970

Won- Wilson, Blair.
Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband.

Can you see a pattern there?

Not really. Kinnock, Wilson and Foot arguably were all left wing, whilst Blair, Brown and Miliband were right of center

Nothing to do with Foot, Kinnock and Miliband all being dopes?

The ups and downs of Palace have left me older than my years

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Aug 15 3.26pm
Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm Quote ghosteagle at 21 Aug 2015 12.20pm Quote We are goin up! at 21 Aug 2015 10.44am Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 9.53am Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are. Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'. And when there's a Tory landslide, they blame the Murdoch press. And tell themselves that the electorate really wants socialism but is denied it by 'the establishment'. Or that voters aren't as clever or enlightened as us lefties with our 'correct' world view. Well its lucky we didn't have a decade of that with people who were right wing slagging of Labour.... Question is of course, if there is a Tory landslide, five years can see a lot of change. I don't really know many lefties who vote Labour either (most of them seem to vote Green). I'd say maybe about half of the electorate who actually vote pay no attention to politics until a couple of months before the election, when they tend to pick either red or blue. The rest tend to be stuck in their ways and will argue all day about politics without ever changing their vote. It's the swing voters who decide the election, and they will simply hear "more taxes" and vote blue. I don't know how many times Labour need to get spanked at an election with a lefty leader before they realise it only spells Conservative victories. Unless, of course, Jonny Eagles is right which I suspect he is. Lefties love a whinge. So, by this logic, a left leader will never be elected? Since 1970 Won- Wilson, Blair. Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband. Can you see a pattern there? Callaghan?
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Shizzlehurst 21 Aug 15 3.26pm

Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm

Quote ghosteagle at 21 Aug 2015 12.20pm

Quote We are goin up! at 21 Aug 2015 10.44am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 9.53am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am

I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are.

Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'.

Well its lucky we didn't have a decade of that with people who were right wing slagging of Labour....

Question is of course, if there is a Tory landslide, five years can see a lot of change. I don't really know many lefties who vote Labour either (most of them seem to vote Green).

So, by this logic, a left leader will never be elected?

Since 1970

Won- Wilson, Blair.
Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband.

Can you see a pattern there?

Callaghan?

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 21 Aug 15 4.15pm
Quote nickgusset at 21 Aug 2015 3.26pm Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm Quote ghosteagle at 21 Aug 2015 12.20pm Quote We are goin up! at 21 Aug 2015 10.44am Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 9.53am Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are. Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'. And when there's a Tory landslide, they blame the Murdoch press. And tell themselves that the electorate really wants socialism but is denied it by 'the establishment'. Or that voters aren't as clever or enlightened as us lefties with our 'correct' world view. Well its lucky we didn't have a decade of that with people who were right wing slagging of Labour.... Question is of course, if there is a Tory landslide, five years can see a lot of change. I don't really know many lefties who vote Labour either (most of them seem to vote Green). I'd say maybe about half of the electorate who actually vote pay no attention to politics until a couple of months before the election, when they tend to pick either red or blue. The rest tend to be stuck in their ways and will argue all day about politics without ever changing their vote. It's the swing voters who decide the election, and they will simply hear "more taxes" and vote blue. I don't know how many times Labour need to get spanked at an election with a lefty leader before they realise it only spells Conservative victories. Unless, of course, Jonny Eagles is right which I suspect he is. Lefties love a whinge. So, by this logic, a left leader will never be elected? Since 1970 Won- Wilson, Blair. Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband. Can you see a pattern there? Callaghan? Oh yeah, forgot about him! Not sure where he fits in to the list, PM but unelected, lost to Maggie, centre left. Anyway what are you doing here- aren't you supposed to be on holiday?
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palace_in_frogland

In a broken dream 21 Aug 15 4.15pm

Quote nickgusset at 21 Aug 2015 3.26pm

Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm

Quote ghosteagle at 21 Aug 2015 12.20pm

Quote We are goin up! at 21 Aug 2015 10.44am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 9.53am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am

I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are.

Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'.

Well its lucky we didn't have a decade of that with people who were right wing slagging of Labour....

Question is of course, if there is a Tory landslide, five years can see a lot of change. I don't really know many lefties who vote Labour either (most of them seem to vote Green).

So, by this logic, a left leader will never be elected?

Since 1970

Won- Wilson, Blair.
Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband.

Can you see a pattern there?

Callaghan?

Oh yeah, forgot about him! Not sure where he fits in to the list, PM but unelected, lost to Maggie, centre left.

Anyway what are you doing here- aren't you supposed to be on holiday?

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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 21 Aug 15 5.14pm
Quote beagle at 21 Aug 2015 2.36pm Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm Quote ghosteagle at 21 Aug 2015 12.20pm Quote We are goin up! at 21 Aug 2015 10.44am Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 9.53am Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are. Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'. And when there's a Tory landslide, they blame the Murdoch press. And tell themselves that the electorate really wants socialism but is denied it by 'the establishment'. Or that voters aren't as clever or enlightened as us lefties with our 'correct' world view. Well its lucky we didn't have a decade of that with people who were right wing slagging of Labour.... Question is of course, if there is a Tory landslide, five years can see a lot of change. I don't really know many lefties who vote Labour either (most of them seem to vote Green). I'd say maybe about half of the electorate who actually vote pay no attention to politics until a couple of months before the election, when they tend to pick either red or blue. The rest tend to be stuck in their ways and will argue all day about politics without ever changing their vote. It's the swing voters who decide the election, and they will simply hear "more taxes" and vote blue. I don't know how many times Labour need to get spanked at an election with a lefty leader before they realise it only spells Conservative victories. Unless, of course, Jonny Eagles is right which I suspect he is. Lefties love a whinge. So, by this logic, a left leader will never be elected? Since 1970 Won- Wilson, Blair. Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband. Can you see a pattern there? Yes. If you take the first few letters of the losers you can almost make a sentence about Brummy women. FooKin BroMi Cor! Skills Lend me a Tenor 31 May to 3 June 2017 John McIntosh Arts Centre London Oratory School SW6 1RX with Superfly in the chorus [Link]
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Superfly

The sun always shines in Catford 21 Aug 15 5.14pm

Quote beagle at 21 Aug 2015 2.36pm

Quote palace_in_frogland at 21 Aug 2015 2.17pm

Quote ghosteagle at 21 Aug 2015 12.20pm

Quote We are goin up! at 21 Aug 2015 10.44am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Aug 2015 9.53am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am

I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are.

Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'.

Well its lucky we didn't have a decade of that with people who were right wing slagging of Labour....

Question is of course, if there is a Tory landslide, five years can see a lot of change. I don't really know many lefties who vote Labour either (most of them seem to vote Green).

So, by this logic, a left leader will never be elected?

Since 1970

Won- Wilson, Blair.
Lost - Foot, Kinnock, Brown, Miliband.

Can you see a pattern there?

Yes. If you take the first few letters of the losers you can almost make a sentence about Brummy women.

FooKin BroMi Cor!

Skills

Lend me a Tenor

31 May to 3 June 2017

John McIntosh Arts Centre
London Oratory School
SW6 1RX

with Superfly in the chorus
[Link]

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black eagle. south croydon. 21 Aug 15 5.17pm
When does the vote take place for the new Labour leader? sorry if this has already been posted.
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black eagle.

south croydon. 21 Aug 15 5.17pm

When does the vote take place for the new Labour leader?

sorry if this has already been posted.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 21 Aug 15 5.42pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are. Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'. And when there's a Tory landslide, they blame the Murdoch press. And tell themselves that the electorate really wants socialism but is denied it by 'the establishment'. Or that voters aren't as clever or enlightened as us lefties with our 'correct' world view. Considering your typically reasoned and balanced approach to posting I'm a bit disappointed in the matt-style prophetic certainty and lefty smearing of tho post Johnny. If people are voting for Corbyn, its because they agree with his policies, and that in a nutshell I how democracy works. To sneer at conviction in people's political decisions is to support the concept that politics is an intransigent and hopelessly narrow cult, and that compromise to the point of acceptance and submission is the only position worth taking. It is actually this exact dogma that I think people are rejecting by supporting Corbyn. Do I think Corbyn can win? Absolutely, and I become more and more convinced he can win every day his campaign continues to surge against almost exclusive media cynicism. Why do I think so? Well firstly his case is different to other left-leaning predecessors in that it has been supported by one of the biggest grass roots political surges in recent memory. Labour now have more than 4x the number of members the tories do. 4 times! And I imagine the age average is a darn sight younger than those in the blue corner. As the Obama campaign and the snp found out, a young mobilised membership is priceless when it comes to campaigning. The other two reasons I think he can win is the two potentially momentous political dates coming up. 1) is the eu referendum, which could totally split the tories and leave labour looking positively united. The other is interest rates rising and the massive hit the governments coffers will take when they do go up. Given what's going on in the eurozone and china currently, another recession/black Monday moment is certainly not inconceivable, and Corbyn's anti austerity message could be hammered him in the face of it. Of course it will be difficult, especially keeping the party together should he win, but to suggest it's a foregone conclusion is myopic and arrogant imo. As for Murdoch, would you not say Johnny that given Corbyn's views are clearly shared by a sizeable percentage of the population, it is at least odd that a supposedly free press contains not 1 major newspaper showing anything other than hostility towards him? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 21 Aug 2015 8.16am

I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are.

Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'.

Considering your typically reasoned and balanced approach to posting I'm a bit disappointed in the matt-style prophetic certainty and lefty smearing of tho post Johnny.

If people are voting for Corbyn, its because they agree with his policies, and that in a nutshell I how democracy works. To sneer at conviction in people's political decisions is to support the concept that politics is an intransigent and hopelessly narrow cult, and that compromise to the point of acceptance and submission is the only position worth taking. It is actually this exact dogma that I think people are rejecting by supporting Corbyn.

Do I think Corbyn can win? Absolutely, and I become more and more convinced he can win every day his campaign continues to surge against almost exclusive media cynicism. Why do I think so? Well firstly his case is different to other left-leaning predecessors in that it has been supported by one of the biggest grass roots political surges in recent memory. Labour now have more than 4x the number of members the tories do. 4 times! And I imagine the age average is a darn sight younger than those in the blue corner. As the Obama campaign and the snp found out, a young mobilised membership is priceless when it comes to campaigning.

The other two reasons I think he can win is the two potentially momentous political dates coming up. 1) is the eu referendum, which could totally split the tories and leave labour looking positively united. The other is interest rates rising and the massive hit the governments coffers will take when they do go up. Given what's going on in the eurozone and china currently, another recession/black Monday moment is certainly not inconceivable, and Corbyn's anti austerity message could be hammered him in the face of it.

Of course it will be difficult, especially keeping the party together should he win, but to suggest it's a foregone conclusion is myopic and arrogant imo. As for Murdoch, would you not say Johnny that given Corbyn's views are clearly shared by a sizeable percentage of the population, it is at least odd that a supposedly free press contains not 1 major newspaper showing anything other than hostility towards him?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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JL85 London,SE9 21 Aug 15 5.43pm
Quote black eagle. at 21 Aug 2015 5.17pm When does the vote take place for the new Labour leader? sorry if this has already been posted. Today, until the 10th of Sept.
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Quote black eagle. at 21 Aug 2015 5.17pm

When does the vote take place for the new Labour leader?

sorry if this has already been posted.

Today, until the 10th of Sept.

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black eagle. south croydon. 21 Aug 15 6.07pm
Quote JL85 at 21 Aug 2015 5.43pm Quote black eagle. at 21 Aug 2015 5.17pm When does the vote take place for the new Labour leader? sorry if this has already been posted. Today, until the 10th of Sept. Thanks JL85,seems alot of people not happy if Corbyn gets the gig. Alot of peeps seem to think Corbyn will take Labour back to the bad ole days.
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Quote JL85 at 21 Aug 2015 5.43pm

Quote black eagle. at 21 Aug 2015 5.17pm

When does the vote take place for the new Labour leader?

sorry if this has already been posted.

Today, until the 10th of Sept.

Thanks JL85,seems alot of people not happy if Corbyn gets the gig.

Alot of peeps seem to think Corbyn will take Labour back to the bad ole days.

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