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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles:

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What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.


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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles:

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What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.


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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles:

[Link]

What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.

Another interesting article,which arrives at a different conclusion.

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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles:

[Link]

What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.

Another interesting article,which arrives at a different conclusion.

[Link]


Did you read that article?

The paragraph that begins 'in other ways...' doesnt come to a 'different conclusion'.

 


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Quote nickgusset at 18 Oct 2015 4.05pm

Quote matt_himself at 18 Oct 2015 2.51pm

Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles:

[Link]

What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.


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My mistake, I didn't look at the posterer.

I don't believe you. Methinks someone is stirring...

 


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legaleagle Flag 18 Oct 15 9.54pm

Quote matt_himself at 18 Oct 2015 7.42pm


Did you read that article?

The paragraph that begins 'in other ways...' doesnt come to a 'different conclusion'.

Indeed,I read the article this morning,well before reading your link.

Your summary was:"Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles

What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks"

The link I posted featured quotes from relatives of a youth killed after stabbing a policeman:


"We have a new generation,” another relative standing on a stairs above the uncles interjects, unwilling to be identified. “They are smart and clever. They can’t sustain the humiliation. They think: if you are going to kill us in the end, we should attack first. You have to understand that this generation is well educated. It is well informed and globalised. They can’t be fooled, like we were fooled in the old days. They have their own way of finding out what is going on. Social media and the internet are educating them.”

Asked about why this episode is different from the first and second intifadas, in the weapons of choice and the organisation or lack of it, Assad Mohammed Ali says: “This is a pure intifada. It is pure because it is about individuals’ personal motivation. They are the ones who sparked it.” The other uncle adds: “The last ones were political. This is not political; it is spontaneous.”

"...Their depiction of a demotic violent resistance that is spontaneous and unorganised, and with imitative elements, reflects assessments by many in Israel’s security establishment and by statements posted online by some attackers."

Seems different to your summary to me,but you are entitled to your own take.


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Did you read that article?

The paragraph that begins 'in other ways...' doesnt come to a 'different conclusion'.

Indeed,I read the article this morning,well before reading your link.

Your summary was:"Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles

What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks"

The link I posted featured quotes from relatives of a youth killed after stabbing a policeman:


"We have a new generation,” another relative standing on a stairs above the uncles interjects, unwilling to be identified. “They are smart and clever. They can’t sustain the humiliation. They think: if you are going to kill us in the end, we should attack first. You have to understand that this generation is well educated. It is well informed and globalised. They can’t be fooled, like we were fooled in the old days. They have their own way of finding out what is going on. Social media and the internet are educating them.”

Asked about why this episode is different from the first and second intifadas, in the weapons of choice and the organisation or lack of it, Assad Mohammed Ali says: “This is a pure intifada. It is pure because it is about individuals’ personal motivation. They are the ones who sparked it.” The other uncle adds: “The last ones were political. This is not political; it is spontaneous.”

"...Their depiction of a demotic violent resistance that is spontaneous and unorganised, and with imitative elements, reflects assessments by many in Israel’s security establishment and by statements posted online by some attackers."

Seems different to your summary to me,but you are entitled to your own take.


Edited by legaleagle (18 Oct 2015 10.00pm)


Did you read the paragraph I referenced? Interesting that you don't refer to it above as it does appear to challenge the 'lone wolf' theory.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 19 Oct 15 11.25am

Interestingly the knife and handgun attacks have actually killed more Israeli's than their missile campaigns. It also, from a tactical point of view, makes it much harder for Israeli to retaliate with airstrikes, because they cannot use the excuse that they're striking at missile launching sites etc.

In terms of a tactic, despite its brutality, its surprisingly very effective. Essentially they're 'lone wolf' affiliates to Hamas and assorted groups, operating in a manner that's largely undetectable (you can't really ban knives and handguns are all over Israel and the occupied territories) - so its much harder to intercept than the suicide bombers were.

 


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Two kids shot dead by Israeli soldiers today.

Here we go again.


And where are the brave Palestinian leaders who direct and incite the kids into throwing stones and Molotov cocktails at IDF soldiers, who in turn fire into crowds who are physically threatening them?

They are hidden in areas populated by ordinary people, knowing that Israeli bombs aimed at them will slaughter their own. They are no doubt on the phone to Riyadh and Doha, arranging more money to be sent to them to continue the 'struggle'.

Blaming Israel for this is too simplistic and wrong. The Palestinian leaders need to be held up for scrutiny.


During the last siege of Gaza, Amnesty international did a month long investigation and found no evidence at all of human shielding being used. It is a complete myth created by a state seeking moral justification for bombing children.


And Amnesty International had no political agenda that they were working to?

Of course they found no evidence.... they weren't looking for any!


Please tell us what Amnesty's agenda is Hoof, I was clearly of the mistaken belief that they were a non-partisan charity!


You won't find many right wing thinking people affiliated to them Serial.


Right wingers not caring about others shocker!


Au Contraire Nickle-arse.......

I actually do care about others, but in this case it's the Israelis/Jewish people.

Just in case any body forgot or wasn't paying attention in History classes at school, the Jews were treated pretty badly from about 1930 to 1945 by Hitler and the Nazis (and probably Stalin and his regime).

The state of Israel was created to give the Jewish people a "spiritual home" and universal agreement to this creation was sanctioned by the UN.

Since it's creation, neighbouring Arab countries have tried to wage war with Israel, but so far have got a bloody nose.

Bearing in mind the treatment Jews have experienced since 1930 is it any wonder that they are fed up with Arab aggression, do not trust Arabs and will not rule out any measures to protect their borders and population.

The Palestinians are just sh1t-stirring and deserve all the retaliation that they get from Israel when it is always them that breaks the ceasefires.

Did the History you studied in school start in 1930 and was taught by ex member of Irgun


How amusing.........

Having thought about your reply a little deeper I can say that the millions of Jews killed in the holocaust probably wouldn't find your riposte amusing.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (13 Oct 2015 10.32am)


You seem completely unaware that Jews have suffered persecution for centuries it didn’t start with the Nazis.

The treatment they suffered under Tsarist Russia caused them to flee in their millions initially to US and then with the rise of Zionism and the First and Second Aliyahs to Palestine changing the demography of the area forever.

To say the land was given to the Jewish people with universal agreement is wrong.


The fact that you acknowledge that Jews have been persecuted for centuries strengthens my argument. Their treatment by the Nazis was probably the most extreme, nearly wiping out their presence in Europe at least. Certainly that experience being so recent in history might explain their distrust of antagonistic nations and desire to hit back?

With regard to your last point - wasn't the matter debated by the UN and voted on? That suggests universal agreement to me.

Now we have established you have no historical knowledge of the region or its geopolitics. We will move on to English vocabulary go and look up the meaning of universal in a dictionary and then look up the result of the vote for General Assembly Resolution 181.

 


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Quote matt_himself at 18 Oct 2015 2.51pm

Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles:

[Link]

What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.


What’s the agenda for continuously advocating that these are not lone wolf attacks is it so that Israel can then justify the launch of another ground offensive.

 


I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles:

[Link]

What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.


What’s the agenda for continuously advocating that these are not lone wolf attacks is it so that Israel can then justify the launch of another ground offensive.


The knife attacks are dismissed as 'lone wolf' attacks by the anti-Israeli lobby on here. I am not 'advocating' anything just offering a different perspective.

It is known as debate. I appreciate that the left is trying to kill debate via bullying and use of emotive imaginery (see your post above regarding a 'ground offensive') but to me it is an important part of human interaction.

 


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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles:

[Link]

What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.


What’s the agenda for continuously advocating that these are not lone wolf attacks is it so that Israel can then justify the launch of another ground offensive.


The knife attacks are dismissed as 'lone wolf' attacks by the anti-Israeli lobby on here. I am not 'advocating' anything just offering a different perspective.

It is known as debate. I appreciate that the left is trying to kill debate via bullying and use of emotive imaginery (see your post above regarding a 'ground offensive') but to me it is an important part of human interaction.

Well you kicked off the thread by suggesting the next intifada had started. Justification for a ground offensive? Debate do me a favour

 


I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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