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Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.
It seems that when attempting to be reasoned in relation to my parallel which is non racial, not pro black or white, it's an unhelpful hypothetical. I'm not being 'liberal'. My comment is not pro black or pro white it addresses that fact that we fixate on the group rather than the individual in a way we'd never do with white people, on account that most people are white. When you applaud a hypothetical, one which injects violence of black men into a scenario out of nowhere, that's fine (see attached). Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 6.35pm) I don't see that your statement means anything beyond an intellectual point. You can employ an argument for most circumstances but it will be meaningless in the cold light of day. As for your final sentence, you are not comparing like for like. There is a different context of those statements. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)
As for facts again, most bankers are white. People have been foaming at the mouth at bankers for the past few years. Do we then blame 'whites' for financial collapse? Most school shootings in the US are committed by white people. Do you fixate on how this is a 'white problem' that whites are responsible for? No, 'nor should we'. When a crime is committed by a white person here we hold them personally to account for that, when it's committed by a black person we blame the demographic. The same is true of other minorities too. It's unhelpful. We have a system of law. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't stop puttting them under the microscope. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 7.02pm) OK. I doubt that the colour of bankers is a factor, just their domination of that sector. It would be highly surprising therefore if dodgy bankers were not mostly white because the vast majority of bankers are white. School shootings are statistically irrelevant. So why then do we think that most street crime is committed by a minority group of the population ? There must be a reason and what are we doing about it ? Because when you only make up 3% of a population and you still commit double the crime then I think that's a problem that needs addressing don't you ?
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I honestly can't see many black people reading this stuff and feeling particularly part of anything and that reaction would not be without good reason. But then we'll never know will we because there don't appear to be many black people here. Funny that.
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I honestly can't see many black people reading this stuff and feeling particularly part of anything and that reaction would not be without good reason. But then we'll never know will we because there don't appear to be many black people here. Funny that.
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Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.
It seems that when attempting to be reasoned in relation to my parallel which is non racial, not pro black or white, it's an unhelpful hypothetical. I'm not being 'liberal'. My comment is not pro black or pro white it addresses that fact that we fixate on the group rather than the individual in a way we'd never do with white people, on account that most people are white. When you applaud a hypothetical, one which injects violence of black men into a scenario out of nowhere, that's fine (see attached). Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 6.35pm) I don't see that your statement means anything beyond an intellectual point. You can employ an argument for most circumstances but it will be meaningless in the cold light of day. As for your final sentence, you are not comparing like for like. There is a different context of those statements. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)
As for facts again, most bankers are white. People have been foaming at the mouth at bankers for the past few years. Do we then blame 'whites' for financial collapse? Most school shootings in the US are committed by white people. Do you fixate on how this is a 'white problem' that whites are responsible for? No, 'nor should we'. When a crime is committed by a white person here we hold them personally to account for that, when it's committed by a black person we blame the demographic. The same is true of other minorities too. It's unhelpful. We have a system of law. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't stop puttting them under the microscope. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 7.02pm) OK. I doubt that the colour of bankers is a factor, just their domination of that sector. It would be highly surprising therefore if dodgy bankers were not mostly white because the vast majority of bankers are white. School shootings are statistically irrelevant. So why then do we think that most street crime is committed by a minority group of the population ? There must be a reason and what are we doing about it ? Because when you only make up 3% of a population and you still commit double the crime then I think that's a problem that needs addressing don't you ? You've found reasons to excuse why being white is irrelevent in those cases. Almost all school and mass shootings in the US are carried out by white teenagers. That's a fact too. It doesn't become a non fact just because on a larger scale most gun crime is carried out by others. We are arbitrarily excusing and exempting judgement upon a group of people because we don't personally feel it's a reflection on ourselves. Maybe we should extend that special exception to all. It's clear that lots of factors, such as poverty and the like contribute to crime and we can do our best to lift people out of that. People feeling alientated from the mainstream likely contributes too and being fixated on due to race is an issue. That's what some have done here. The sensible way to approach this thread would've been to condemn these two arseholes and throw the book at them whether it was for the attack or for any provable racial aspect too. You don't seem to appreciate that most black people never commit crime and as such where you feel they should be placed under the microscope, I appreciate that endless fruitless fixation on peoples race only for the negative can itself cause very real problems and likely factors into the current situation.
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I honestly can't see many black people reading this stuff and feeling particularly part of anything and that reaction would not be without good reason. But then we'll never know will we because there don't appear to be many black people here. Funny that.
Yours Sincerely A non white poster. I said I didn't think there were many black posters and I don't. It's not making something up to draw an assessment based on the contributions to a forum. I don't think there are many muslim posters in general either based on that content. Am I being 'islamophobic' by saying so? Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 8.03pm)
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Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.
It seems that when attempting to be reasoned in relation to my parallel which is non racial, not pro black or white, it's an unhelpful hypothetical. I'm not being 'liberal'. My comment is not pro black or pro white it addresses that fact that we fixate on the group rather than the individual in a way we'd never do with white people, on account that most people are white. When you applaud a hypothetical, one which injects violence of black men into a scenario out of nowhere, that's fine (see attached). Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 6.35pm) I don't see that your statement means anything beyond an intellectual point. You can employ an argument for most circumstances but it will be meaningless in the cold light of day. As for your final sentence, you are not comparing like for like. There is a different context of those statements. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)
As for facts again, most bankers are white. People have been foaming at the mouth at bankers for the past few years. Do we then blame 'whites' for financial collapse? Most school shootings in the US are committed by white people. Do you fixate on how this is a 'white problem' that whites are responsible for? No, 'nor should we'. When a crime is committed by a white person here we hold them personally to account for that, when it's committed by a black person we blame the demographic. The same is true of other minorities too. It's unhelpful. We have a system of law. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't stop puttting them under the microscope. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 7.02pm) OK. I doubt that the colour of bankers is a factor, just their domination of that sector. It would be highly surprising therefore if dodgy bankers were not mostly white because the vast majority of bankers are white. School shootings are statistically irrelevant. So why then do we think that most street crime is committed by a minority group of the population ? There must be a reason and what are we doing about it ? Because when you only make up 3% of a population and you still commit double the crime then I think that's a problem that needs addressing don't you ? You've done is found reasons to excuse why being white is irrelevent in those cases. Almost all school and mass shootings in the US are carried out by white teenagers. That's a fact too. It doesn't become a non fact just because on a larger scale most gun crime is carried out by others. We are arbitrarily excusing and exempting judgement upon a group of people because we don't personally feel it's a reflection on ourselves. Maybe we should extend that special exception to all. It's clear that lots of factors, such as poverty and the like contribute to crime and we can do our best to lift people out of that. People feeling alientated from the mainstream likely contributes too and being fixated on due to race is an issue. That's what some have done here. The sensible way to approach this thread would've been to condemn these two arseholes and throw the book at them whether it was for the attack or for any provable racial aspect too. You don't seem to appreciate that most black people never commit crime and as such where you feel they should be placed under the microscope, I appreciate that endless fruitless fixation on peoples race only for the negative can itself cause very real problems and likely factors into the current situation.
You don't seem to want to tackle the undeniable problem that the black community has. Many people on the receiving end of knife crime are black themselves. Doesn't that bother you ? Would you rather just continue to dress it up ?
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Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.
It seems that when attempting to be reasoned in relation to my parallel which is non racial, not pro black or white, it's an unhelpful hypothetical. I'm not being 'liberal'. My comment is not pro black or pro white it addresses that fact that we fixate on the group rather than the individual in a way we'd never do with white people, on account that most people are white. When you applaud a hypothetical, one which injects violence of black men into a scenario out of nowhere, that's fine (see attached). Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 6.35pm) I don't see that your statement means anything beyond an intellectual point. You can employ an argument for most circumstances but it will be meaningless in the cold light of day. As for your final sentence, you are not comparing like for like. There is a different context of those statements. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)
As for facts again, most bankers are white. People have been foaming at the mouth at bankers for the past few years. Do we then blame 'whites' for financial collapse? Most school shootings in the US are committed by white people. Do you fixate on how this is a 'white problem' that whites are responsible for? No, 'nor should we'. When a crime is committed by a white person here we hold them personally to account for that, when it's committed by a black person we blame the demographic. The same is true of other minorities too. It's unhelpful. We have a system of law. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't stop puttting them under the microscope. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 7.02pm) OK. I doubt that the colour of bankers is a factor, just their domination of that sector. It would be highly surprising therefore if dodgy bankers were not mostly white because the vast majority of bankers are white. School shootings are statistically irrelevant. So why then do we think that most street crime is committed by a minority group of the population ? There must be a reason and what are we doing about it ? Because when you only make up 3% of a population and you still commit double the crime then I think that's a problem that needs addressing don't you ? You've done is found reasons to excuse why being white is irrelevent in those cases. Almost all school and mass shootings in the US are carried out by white teenagers. That's a fact too. It doesn't become a non fact just because on a larger scale most gun crime is carried out by others. We are arbitrarily excusing and exempting judgement upon a group of people because we don't personally feel it's a reflection on ourselves. Maybe we should extend that special exception to all. It's clear that lots of factors, such as poverty and the like contribute to crime and we can do our best to lift people out of that. People feeling alientated from the mainstream likely contributes too and being fixated on due to race is an issue. That's what some have done here. The sensible way to approach this thread would've been to condemn these two arseholes and throw the book at them whether it was for the attack or for any provable racial aspect too. You don't seem to appreciate that most black people never commit crime and as such where you feel they should be placed under the microscope, I appreciate that endless fruitless fixation on peoples race only for the negative can itself cause very real problems and likely factors into the current situation.
You don't seem to want to tackle the undeniable problem that the black community has. Many people on the receiving end of knife crime are black themselves. Doesn't that bother you ? Would you rather just continue to dress it up ?
You've dismissed a type of crime that is almost exclusively white as 'irrelevant'. You've dismissed poverty as an issue. You are saying that alientation isn't a factor and it's 'ridiculous' to say so - nice that you now speak on behalf of other communtiies too. You are dismissing all external factors many of which likely play at least some part as 'daft'. You clearly know your stuff. What are you actually saying about black people then? For you to know that something 100% isn't the answer you must therefore have a very good idea of what is? Enlighten us with your racial tightrope walking.
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I honestly can't see many black people reading this stuff and feeling particularly part of anything and that reaction would not be without good reason. But then we'll never know will we because there don't appear to be many black people here. Funny that.
Yours Sincerely A non white poster. I said I didn't think there were many black posters and I don't. It's not making something up to draw an assessment based on the contributions to a forum. I don't think there are many muslim posters in general either based on that content. Am I being 'islamophobic' by saying so? Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 8.03pm) I've read that a few times and still can't make sense of it. I would still question why you think you know the ethnic and religious make up of people posting.
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Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.
It seems that when attempting to be reasoned in relation to my parallel which is non racial, not pro black or white, it's an unhelpful hypothetical. I'm not being 'liberal'. My comment is not pro black or pro white it addresses that fact that we fixate on the group rather than the individual in a way we'd never do with white people, on account that most people are white. When you applaud a hypothetical, one which injects violence of black men into a scenario out of nowhere, that's fine (see attached). Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 6.35pm) I don't see that your statement means anything beyond an intellectual point. You can employ an argument for most circumstances but it will be meaningless in the cold light of day. As for your final sentence, you are not comparing like for like. There is a different context of those statements. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)
As for facts again, most bankers are white. People have been foaming at the mouth at bankers for the past few years. Do we then blame 'whites' for financial collapse? Most school shootings in the US are committed by white people. Do you fixate on how this is a 'white problem' that whites are responsible for? No, 'nor should we'. When a crime is committed by a white person here we hold them personally to account for that, when it's committed by a black person we blame the demographic. The same is true of other minorities too. It's unhelpful. We have a system of law. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't stop puttting them under the microscope. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 7.02pm) OK. I doubt that the colour of bankers is a factor, just their domination of that sector. It would be highly surprising therefore if dodgy bankers were not mostly white because the vast majority of bankers are white. School shootings are statistically irrelevant. So why then do we think that most street crime is committed by a minority group of the population ? There must be a reason and what are we doing about it ? Because when you only make up 3% of a population and you still commit double the crime then I think that's a problem that needs addressing don't you ? You've done is found reasons to excuse why being white is irrelevent in those cases. Almost all school and mass shootings in the US are carried out by white teenagers. That's a fact too. It doesn't become a non fact just because on a larger scale most gun crime is carried out by others. We are arbitrarily excusing and exempting judgement upon a group of people because we don't personally feel it's a reflection on ourselves. Maybe we should extend that special exception to all. It's clear that lots of factors, such as poverty and the like contribute to crime and we can do our best to lift people out of that. People feeling alientated from the mainstream likely contributes too and being fixated on due to race is an issue. That's what some have done here. The sensible way to approach this thread would've been to condemn these two arseholes and throw the book at them whether it was for the attack or for any provable racial aspect too. You don't seem to appreciate that most black people never commit crime and as such where you feel they should be placed under the microscope, I appreciate that endless fruitless fixation on peoples race only for the negative can itself cause very real problems and likely factors into the current situation.
You don't seem to want to tackle the undeniable problem that the black community has. Many people on the receiving end of knife crime are black themselves. Doesn't that bother you ? Would you rather just continue to dress it up ?
You've dismissed a type of crime that is almost exclusively white as 'irrelevant'. You've dismissed poverty as an issue. You are saying that alientation isn't a factor and it's 'ridiculous' to say so - nice that you now speak on behalf of other communtiies too. You are dismissing all external factors many of which likely play at least some part as 'daft'. You clearly know your stuff. What are you actually saying about black people then? For you to know that something 100% isn't the answer you must therefore have a very good idea of what is? Enlighten us with your racial tightrope walking.
Your post starts with emotive nonsense and carries on in the same vein. I can't respond to meaningless accusatory arguments which ignore reality. I have been very clear in my comments and I would stand by all of them. What I'm not going to do chew the same fat all night.
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Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.
It seems that when attempting to be reasoned in relation to my parallel which is non racial, not pro black or white, it's an unhelpful hypothetical. I'm not being 'liberal'. My comment is not pro black or pro white it addresses that fact that we fixate on the group rather than the individual in a way we'd never do with white people, on account that most people are white. When you applaud a hypothetical, one which injects violence of black men into a scenario out of nowhere, that's fine (see attached). Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 6.35pm) I don't see that your statement means anything beyond an intellectual point. You can employ an argument for most circumstances but it will be meaningless in the cold light of day. As for your final sentence, you are not comparing like for like. There is a different context of those statements. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)
As for facts again, most bankers are white. People have been foaming at the mouth at bankers for the past few years. Do we then blame 'whites' for financial collapse? Most school shootings in the US are committed by white people. Do you fixate on how this is a 'white problem' that whites are responsible for? No, 'nor should we'. When a crime is committed by a white person here we hold them personally to account for that, when it's committed by a black person we blame the demographic. The same is true of other minorities too. It's unhelpful. We have a system of law. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't stop puttting them under the microscope. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 7.02pm) OK. I doubt that the colour of bankers is a factor, just their domination of that sector. It would be highly surprising therefore if dodgy bankers were not mostly white because the vast majority of bankers are white. School shootings are statistically irrelevant. So why then do we think that most street crime is committed by a minority group of the population ? There must be a reason and what are we doing about it ? Because when you only make up 3% of a population and you still commit double the crime then I think that's a problem that needs addressing don't you ? You've done is found reasons to excuse why being white is irrelevent in those cases. Almost all school and mass shootings in the US are carried out by white teenagers. That's a fact too. It doesn't become a non fact just because on a larger scale most gun crime is carried out by others. We are arbitrarily excusing and exempting judgement upon a group of people because we don't personally feel it's a reflection on ourselves. Maybe we should extend that special exception to all. It's clear that lots of factors, such as poverty and the like contribute to crime and we can do our best to lift people out of that. People feeling alientated from the mainstream likely contributes too and being fixated on due to race is an issue. That's what some have done here. The sensible way to approach this thread would've been to condemn these two arseholes and throw the book at them whether it was for the attack or for any provable racial aspect too. You don't seem to appreciate that most black people never commit crime and as such where you feel they should be placed under the microscope, I appreciate that endless fruitless fixation on peoples race only for the negative can itself cause very real problems and likely factors into the current situation.
You don't seem to want to tackle the undeniable problem that the black community has. Many people on the receiving end of knife crime are black themselves. Doesn't that bother you ? Would you rather just continue to dress it up ?
You've dismissed a type of crime that is almost exclusively white as 'irrelevant'. You've dismissed poverty as an issue. You are saying that alientation isn't a factor and it's 'ridiculous' to say so - nice that you now speak on behalf of other communtiies too. You are dismissing all external factors many of which likely play at least some part as 'daft'. You clearly know your stuff. What are you actually saying about black people then? For you to know that something 100% isn't the answer you must therefore have a very good idea of what is? Enlighten us with your racial tightrope walking.
Your post starts with emotive nonsense and carries on in the same vein. I can't respond to meaningless accusatory arguments which ignore reality. I have been very clear in my comments and I would stand by all of them. What I'm not going to do chew the same fat all night. I asked you what this is leading up to. As I stated: You've dismissed a type of crime that is almost exclusively white as 'irrelevant'. You've dismissed poverty as an issue. You are saying that alientation isn't a factor and it's 'ridiculous' to say so. You are dismissing external factors many of which likely play at least some part as 'daft'. Those are facts too so as I stated, what are you actually saying about black people and crime? You seem to somehow know as fact that these eternal elements do not factor in. Hence you must have an idea of what does? Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 9.14pm)
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Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.
It seems that when attempting to be reasoned in relation to my parallel which is non racial, not pro black or white, it's an unhelpful hypothetical. I'm not being 'liberal'. My comment is not pro black or pro white it addresses that fact that we fixate on the group rather than the individual in a way we'd never do with white people, on account that most people are white. When you applaud a hypothetical, one which injects violence of black men into a scenario out of nowhere, that's fine (see attached). Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 6.35pm) I don't see that your statement means anything beyond an intellectual point. You can employ an argument for most circumstances but it will be meaningless in the cold light of day. As for your final sentence, you are not comparing like for like. There is a different context of those statements. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)
As for facts again, most bankers are white. People have been foaming at the mouth at bankers for the past few years. Do we then blame 'whites' for financial collapse? Most school shootings in the US are committed by white people. Do you fixate on how this is a 'white problem' that whites are responsible for? No, 'nor should we'. When a crime is committed by a white person here we hold them personally to account for that, when it's committed by a black person we blame the demographic. The same is true of other minorities too. It's unhelpful. We have a system of law. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't stop puttting them under the microscope. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 7.02pm) OK. I doubt that the colour of bankers is a factor, just their domination of that sector. It would be highly surprising therefore if dodgy bankers were not mostly white because the vast majority of bankers are white. School shootings are statistically irrelevant. So why then do we think that most street crime is committed by a minority group of the population ? There must be a reason and what are we doing about it ? Because when you only make up 3% of a population and you still commit double the crime then I think that's a problem that needs addressing don't you ? You've done is found reasons to excuse why being white is irrelevent in those cases. Almost all school and mass shootings in the US are carried out by white teenagers. That's a fact too. It doesn't become a non fact just because on a larger scale most gun crime is carried out by others. We are arbitrarily excusing and exempting judgement upon a group of people because we don't personally feel it's a reflection on ourselves. Maybe we should extend that special exception to all. It's clear that lots of factors, such as poverty and the like contribute to crime and we can do our best to lift people out of that. People feeling alientated from the mainstream likely contributes too and being fixated on due to race is an issue. That's what some have done here. The sensible way to approach this thread would've been to condemn these two arseholes and throw the book at them whether it was for the attack or for any provable racial aspect too. You don't seem to appreciate that most black people never commit crime and as such where you feel they should be placed under the microscope, I appreciate that endless fruitless fixation on peoples race only for the negative can itself cause very real problems and likely factors into the current situation.
You don't seem to want to tackle the undeniable problem that the black community has. Many people on the receiving end of knife crime are black themselves. Doesn't that bother you ? Would you rather just continue to dress it up ?
You've dismissed a type of crime that is almost exclusively white as 'irrelevant'. You've dismissed poverty as an issue. You are saying that alientation isn't a factor and it's 'ridiculous' to say so - nice that you now speak on behalf of other communtiies too. You are dismissing all external factors many of which likely play at least some part as 'daft'. You clearly know your stuff. What are you actually saying about black people then? For you to know that something 100% isn't the answer you must therefore have a very good idea of what is? Enlighten us with your racial tightrope walking.
Your post starts with emotive nonsense and carries on in the same vein. I can't respond to meaningless accusatory arguments which ignore reality. I have been very clear in my comments and I would stand by all of them. What I'm not going to do chew the same fat all night. I asked you what this is leading up to. As I stated: You've dismissed a type of crime that is almost exclusively white as 'irrelevant'. You've dismissed poverty as an issue. You are saying that alientation isn't a factor and it's 'ridiculous' to say so. You are dismissing external factors many of which likely play at least some part as 'daft'. Those are facts too so as I stated, what are you actually saying about black people and crime? You seem to somehow know as fact that these eternal elements do not factor in. Hence you must have an idea of what does? Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 9.13pm) I'm dismissing your comparisons because they are not valid. If you can't see why, then I'm not spelling it out again. Good night.
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Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.
It seems that when attempting to be reasoned in relation to my parallel which is non racial, not pro black or white, it's an unhelpful hypothetical. I'm not being 'liberal'. My comment is not pro black or pro white it addresses that fact that we fixate on the group rather than the individual in a way we'd never do with white people, on account that most people are white. When you applaud a hypothetical, one which injects violence of black men into a scenario out of nowhere, that's fine (see attached). Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 6.35pm) I don't see that your statement means anything beyond an intellectual point. You can employ an argument for most circumstances but it will be meaningless in the cold light of day. As for your final sentence, you are not comparing like for like. There is a different context of those statements. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)
As for facts again, most bankers are white. People have been foaming at the mouth at bankers for the past few years. Do we then blame 'whites' for financial collapse? Most school shootings in the US are committed by white people. Do you fixate on how this is a 'white problem' that whites are responsible for? No, 'nor should we'. When a crime is committed by a white person here we hold them personally to account for that, when it's committed by a black person we blame the demographic. The same is true of other minorities too. It's unhelpful. We have a system of law. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't stop puttting them under the microscope. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 7.02pm) OK. I doubt that the colour of bankers is a factor, just their domination of that sector. It would be highly surprising therefore if dodgy bankers were not mostly white because the vast majority of bankers are white. School shootings are statistically irrelevant. So why then do we think that most street crime is committed by a minority group of the population ? There must be a reason and what are we doing about it ? Because when you only make up 3% of a population and you still commit double the crime then I think that's a problem that needs addressing don't you ? You've done is found reasons to excuse why being white is irrelevent in those cases. Almost all school and mass shootings in the US are carried out by white teenagers. That's a fact too. It doesn't become a non fact just because on a larger scale most gun crime is carried out by others. We are arbitrarily excusing and exempting judgement upon a group of people because we don't personally feel it's a reflection on ourselves. Maybe we should extend that special exception to all. It's clear that lots of factors, such as poverty and the like contribute to crime and we can do our best to lift people out of that. People feeling alientated from the mainstream likely contributes too and being fixated on due to race is an issue. That's what some have done here. The sensible way to approach this thread would've been to condemn these two arseholes and throw the book at them whether it was for the attack or for any provable racial aspect too. You don't seem to appreciate that most black people never commit crime and as such where you feel they should be placed under the microscope, I appreciate that endless fruitless fixation on peoples race only for the negative can itself cause very real problems and likely factors into the current situation.
You don't seem to want to tackle the undeniable problem that the black community has. Many people on the receiving end of knife crime are black themselves. Doesn't that bother you ? Would you rather just continue to dress it up ?
You've dismissed a type of crime that is almost exclusively white as 'irrelevant'. You've dismissed poverty as an issue. You are saying that alientation isn't a factor and it's 'ridiculous' to say so - nice that you now speak on behalf of other communtiies too. You are dismissing all external factors many of which likely play at least some part as 'daft'. You clearly know your stuff. What are you actually saying about black people then? For you to know that something 100% isn't the answer you must therefore have a very good idea of what is? Enlighten us with your racial tightrope walking.
Your post starts with emotive nonsense and carries on in the same vein. I can't respond to meaningless accusatory arguments which ignore reality. I have been very clear in my comments and I would stand by all of them. What I'm not going to do chew the same fat all night. I asked you what this is leading up to. As I stated: You've dismissed a type of crime that is almost exclusively white as 'irrelevant'. You've dismissed poverty as an issue. You are saying that alientation isn't a factor and it's 'ridiculous' to say so. You are dismissing external factors many of which likely play at least some part as 'daft'. Those are facts too so as I stated, what are you actually saying about black people and crime? You seem to somehow know as fact that these eternal elements do not factor in. Hence you must have an idea of what does? Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 9.13pm) I'm dismissing your comparisons because they are not valid. If you can't see why, then I'm not spelling it out again. Good night.
Maybe when a thread about a teenage girl hitting an old lady gets contorted into one about 'black men stab stats' we need to start thinking about the arbitrary knee jerk connections we make in our head. Most black people are obviously as disgusted by this incident as we are.
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