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Are the police in any country well known for writing reports that admit they were not up to scratch? Or totally useless, according to the witnesses and victims. And at 08.57 am the day after, do you think they will have known the full extent of events that night? Let alone that it also occurred in other German cities? It takes 20-50 years for victims of abuse to report some events and they're all immediately taken as being credible. Yet you doubt over 90 odd official complaints to the police (including one by a policewoman) within hours of each other.
I didn't really read it, as it's pretty irrelevant, but presume it's just a google translate job? Nick seems to think that him finding that means all the news reports, police complaints and subsequent protests are all just a pack of lies, embellishment or simply media hysteria. Or at least that's the angle I think he's working from, I may be wrong. I'm sure I wrote tghat the truth lies somewhere between what the police and the nedia say,. But as usual, you chose to ignore that which is pretty par for the course for you stuk. As it is, latest I've heard was that the grabbing of arses and tits was a ruse to allow pickpocketing to take place. Happened to one of my dad's mates many years ago. A salt put her hands on his genitals whilst her mate half inched his wallet!
"Seems very different to other reports, surely 1000 men raping people would appear on there somewhere" When you over-exaggerate something so vastly and your, now discredited, police report under-exaggerates, of course the truth will be someone between. I ignored it due to it being nonsense. Move on, nothing happened. Nick has decided so. Your ability to exonerate and be outraged by very similar crimes, depending on who is accused of carrying them out is totally warped. Only a bit of groping and robbing, like that makes it any better... I didn't say nothing happened did I. Stop being a knob! Ask the women involved, or their friends and relatives, and I reckon they'd be saying you're the knob with your warped view of this. I'd like to know what you'd think if they were related to you? Only a bit of robbing and groping by a large group after all. Wouldn't be at all scary or traumatic for them, would it...
Secondly, at the time of posting the link to the police report, it had not been discredited, I was not to know this at the time. How is not accepting all of what the media, or indeed the police report as 'truth' a warped view? I've already said the truth will lie somewhere inbetween.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jan 16 6.06pm |
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Quote mezzer at 07 Jan 2016 5.31pm
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Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 3.45pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 3.35pm
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Are the police in any country well known for writing reports that admit they were not up to scratch? Or totally useless, according to the witnesses and victims. And at 08.57 am the day after, do you think they will have known the full extent of events that night? Let alone that it also occurred in other German cities? It takes 20-50 years for victims of abuse to report some events and they're all immediately taken as being credible. Yet you doubt over 90 odd official complaints to the police (including one by a policewoman) within hours of each other.
I didn't really read it, as it's pretty irrelevant, but presume it's just a google translate job? Nick seems to think that him finding that means all the news reports, police complaints and subsequent protests are all just a pack of lies, embellishment or simply media hysteria. Or at least that's the angle I think he's working from, I may be wrong. I'm sure I wrote tghat the truth lies somewhere between what the police and the nedia say,. But as usual, you chose to ignore that which is pretty par for the course for you stuk. As it is, latest I've heard was that the grabbing of arses and tits was a ruse to allow pickpocketing to take place. Happened to one of my dad's mates many years ago. A salt put her hands on his genitals whilst her mate half inched his wallet!
"Seems very different to other reports, surely 1000 men raping people would appear on there somewhere" When you over-exaggerate something so vastly and your, now discredited, police report under-exaggerates, of course the truth will be someone between. I ignored it due to it being nonsense. Move on, nothing happened. Nick has decided so. Your ability to exonerate and be outraged by very similar crimes, depending on who is accused of carrying them out is totally warped. Only a bit of groping and robbing, like that makes it any better... I didn't say nothing happened did I. Stop being a knob! Ask the women involved, or their friends and relatives, and I reckon they'd be saying you're the knob with your warped view of this. I'd like to know what you'd think if they were related to you? Only a bit of robbing and groping by a large group after all. Wouldn't be at all scary or traumatic for them, would it...
Secondly, at the time of posting the link to the police report, it had not been discredited, I was not to know this at the time. How is not accepting all of what the media, or indeed the police report as 'truth' a warped view? I've already said the truth will lie somewhere inbetween.
From what I posted earlier... Seems very different to other reports, surely 1000 men raping people would appear on there somewhere. No doubt the truth lies somewhere inbetween... Edited by nickgusset (07 Jan 2016 8.17pm)
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| davenotamonkey 07 Jan 16 8.15pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 2.13pm
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Are the police in any country well known for writing reports that admit they were not up to scratch? Or totally useless, according to the witnesses and victims. And at 08.57 am the day after, do you think they will have known the full extent of events that night? Let alone that it also occurred in other German cities? It takes 20-50 years for victims of abuse to report some events and they're all immediately taken as being credible. Yet you doubt over 90 odd official complaints to the police (including one by a policewoman) within hours of each other.
I didn't really read it, as it's pretty irrelevant, but presume it's just a google translate job? Nick seems to think that him finding that means all the news reports, police complaints and subsequent protests are all just a pack of lies, embellishment or simply media hysteria. Or at least that's the angle I think he's working from, I may be wrong. I'm sure I wrote tghat the truth lies somewhere between what the police and the nedia say,. But as usual, you chose to ignore that which is pretty par for the course for you stuk. As it is, latest I've heard was that the grabbing of arses and tits was a ruse to allow pickpocketing to take place. Happened to one of my dad's mates many years ago. A salt put her hands on his genitals whilst her mate half inched his wallet! Ah yes, just a bit of touching tits and arse. [Link] So far, despite original claims from the authorities to the contrary, 15 refugees from Syria* and Afghanistan* have been questioned *Though who knows, when you can pick up a Syrian passport for a packet of fags these days?
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| davenotamonkey 07 Jan 16 8.18pm |
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Quote johnfirewall at 07 Jan 2016 3.10pm
Interestingly sex mob is the same in German. Plenty of accounts from police quoted in the media, which in fact seem to be where most are coming from although the 'I'm Syrian, you must treat me kindly, Mrs Merkel invited me' sounds a bit suspect. Still 0.1% of migrants forming a mob isn't many. Edited by johnfirewall (07 Jan 2016 3.13pm) It doesn't have to be many. That's exactly the problem. And when you make it public-knowledge that you don't vet any of them, you can bet many of these migrants are certainly not in it for the wurst and beer.
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| davenotamonkey 07 Jan 16 8.35pm |
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Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 5.12pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 4.38pm
Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 3.45pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 3.35pm
Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 2.48pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 2.13pm
Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 1.55pm
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Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 1.26pm
Are the police in any country well known for writing reports that admit they were not up to scratch? Or totally useless, according to the witnesses and victims. And at 08.57 am the day after, do you think they will have known the full extent of events that night? Let alone that it also occurred in other German cities? It takes 20-50 years for victims of abuse to report some events and they're all immediately taken as being credible. Yet you doubt over 90 odd official complaints to the police (including one by a policewoman) within hours of each other.
I didn't really read it, as it's pretty irrelevant, but presume it's just a google translate job? Nick seems to think that him finding that means all the news reports, police complaints and subsequent protests are all just a pack of lies, embellishment or simply media hysteria. Or at least that's the angle I think he's working from, I may be wrong. I'm sure I wrote tghat the truth lies somewhere between what the police and the nedia say,. But as usual, you chose to ignore that which is pretty par for the course for you stuk. As it is, latest I've heard was that the grabbing of arses and tits was a ruse to allow pickpocketing to take place. Happened to one of my dad's mates many years ago. A salt put her hands on his genitals whilst her mate half inched his wallet!
"Seems very different to other reports, surely 1000 men raping people would appear on there somewhere" When you over-exaggerate something so vastly and your, now discredited, police report under-exaggerates, of course the truth will be someone between. I ignored it due to it being nonsense. Move on, nothing happened. Nick has decided so. Your ability to exonerate and be outraged by very similar crimes, depending on who is accused of carrying them out is totally warped. Only a bit of groping and robbing, like that makes it any better... I didn't say nothing happened did I. Stop being a knob! Ask the women involved, or their friends and relatives, and I reckon they'd be saying you're the knob with your warped view of this. I'd like to know what you'd think if they were related to you? Only a bit of robbing and groping by a large group after all. Wouldn't be at all scary or traumatic for them, would it...
Secondly, at the time of posting the link to the police report, it had not been discredited, I was not to know this at the time. How is not accepting all of what the media, or indeed the police report as 'truth' a warped view? I've already said the truth will lie somewhere inbetween. Not a false argument, you've repeatedly acted as though it's no big deal and it very much is. Like I said, imagine if they were your family or friends. Take that comment up with whoever said it, not with me when I've not said anything of the like. As for the police report, it took me all of half a minute to realise it was bulls*** (the fact you've posted something normally means the detector goes off in a couple of seconds), who has a full and accurate report in less than a few hours after the event? And what police force in the world puts out statements that admit they've been next to useless? You don't accept what's widely reported, witnessed and corroborated in multiple countries and their media's, but you blindly believe the ridiculous amount of things and links that you have a tendency to post. You couldn't make it up. Well, very plausibly you have. Where is your source stating that the police report is a fake? The Grauniad, of all rags, is still standing by it - this article has not been edited nor retracted. So. Could you make it up? Where's your source? Moreover, who are you to say if German police (specifically from Cologne) do or don't compile a night report (and/or incident report) "a few hours after the event". In places I've worked, that's fairly standard operational procedure. I've not worked for the Police in Cologne, so I can't establish if indeed this is common practice. How long have you worked there for?
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| johnfirewall 07 Jan 16 8.44pm |
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Quote davenotamonkey at 07 Jan 2016 8.15pm
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Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 1.26pm
Are the police in any country well known for writing reports that admit they were not up to scratch? Or totally useless, according to the witnesses and victims. And at 08.57 am the day after, do you think they will have known the full extent of events that night? Let alone that it also occurred in other German cities? It takes 20-50 years for victims of abuse to report some events and they're all immediately taken as being credible. Yet you doubt over 90 odd official complaints to the police (including one by a policewoman) within hours of each other.
I didn't really read it, as it's pretty irrelevant, but presume it's just a google translate job? Nick seems to think that him finding that means all the news reports, police complaints and subsequent protests are all just a pack of lies, embellishment or simply media hysteria. Or at least that's the angle I think he's working from, I may be wrong. I'm sure I wrote tghat the truth lies somewhere between what the police and the nedia say,. But as usual, you chose to ignore that which is pretty par for the course for you stuk. As it is, latest I've heard was that the grabbing of arses and tits was a ruse to allow pickpocketing to take place. Happened to one of my dad's mates many years ago. A salt put her hands on his genitals whilst her mate half inched his wallet! Ah yes, just a bit of touching tits and arse. [Link] So far, despite original claims from the authorities to the contrary, 15 refugees from Syria* and Afghanistan* have been questioned *Though who knows, when you can pick up a Syrian passport for a packet of fags these days? The internet is awash with misinformation and that sort of exposé is usually the sort of thing presented as evidence by the other side of the political spectrum in these polarising debates but that interview along with others on sites such as LiveLeak will fuel the right massively. I must make that political observation as any outlet which goes against the mainstream media is generally a tool of the left.
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| johnfirewall 07 Jan 16 8.52pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 4.38pm
Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 3.45pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 3.35pm
Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 2.48pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 2.13pm
Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 1.55pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 07 Jan 2016 1.39pm
Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 1.26pm
Are the police in any country well known for writing reports that admit they were not up to scratch? Or totally useless, according to the witnesses and victims. And at 08.57 am the day after, do you think they will have known the full extent of events that night? Let alone that it also occurred in other German cities? It takes 20-50 years for victims of abuse to report some events and they're all immediately taken as being credible. Yet you doubt over 90 odd official complaints to the police (including one by a policewoman) within hours of each other.
I didn't really read it, as it's pretty irrelevant, but presume it's just a google translate job? Nick seems to think that him finding that means all the news reports, police complaints and subsequent protests are all just a pack of lies, embellishment or simply media hysteria. Or at least that's the angle I think he's working from, I may be wrong. I'm sure I wrote tghat the truth lies somewhere between what the police and the nedia say,. But as usual, you chose to ignore that which is pretty par for the course for you stuk. As it is, latest I've heard was that the grabbing of arses and tits was a ruse to allow pickpocketing to take place. Happened to one of my dad's mates many years ago. A salt put her hands on his genitals whilst her mate half inched his wallet!
"Seems very different to other reports, surely 1000 men raping people would appear on there somewhere" When you over-exaggerate something so vastly and your, now discredited, police report under-exaggerates, of course the truth will be someone between. I ignored it due to it being nonsense. Move on, nothing happened. Nick has decided so. Your ability to exonerate and be outraged by very similar crimes, depending on who is accused of carrying them out is totally warped. Only a bit of groping and robbing, like that makes it any better... I didn't say nothing happened did I. Stop being a knob! Ask the women involved, or their friends and relatives, and I reckon they'd be saying you're the knob with your warped view of this. I'd like to know what you'd think if they were related to you? Only a bit of robbing and groping by a large group after all. Wouldn't be at all scary or traumatic for them, would it...
Secondly, at the time of posting the link to the police report, it had not been discredited, I was not to know this at the time. How is not accepting all of what the media, or indeed the police report as 'truth' a warped view? I've already said the truth will lie somewhere inbetween.
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Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 2.48pm
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Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 1.26pm
Are the police in any country well known for writing reports that admit they were not up to scratch? Or totally useless, according to the witnesses and victims. And at 08.57 am the day after, do you think they will have known the full extent of events that night? Let alone that it also occurred in other German cities? It takes 20-50 years for victims of abuse to report some events and they're all immediately taken as being credible. Yet you doubt over 90 odd official complaints to the police (including one by a policewoman) within hours of each other.
I didn't really read it, as it's pretty irrelevant, but presume it's just a google translate job? Nick seems to think that him finding that means all the news reports, police complaints and subsequent protests are all just a pack of lies, embellishment or simply media hysteria. Or at least that's the angle I think he's working from, I may be wrong. I'm sure I wrote tghat the truth lies somewhere between what the police and the nedia say,. But as usual, you chose to ignore that which is pretty par for the course for you stuk. As it is, latest I've heard was that the grabbing of arses and tits was a ruse to allow pickpocketing to take place. Happened to one of my dad's mates many years ago. A salt put her hands on his genitals whilst her mate half inched his wallet!
"Seems very different to other reports, surely 1000 men raping people would appear on there somewhere" When you over-exaggerate something so vastly and your, now discredited, police report under-exaggerates, of course the truth will be someone between. I ignored it due to it being nonsense. Move on, nothing happened. Nick has decided so. Your ability to exonerate and be outraged by very similar crimes, depending on who is accused of carrying them out is totally warped. Only a bit of groping and robbing, like that makes it any better... I didn't say nothing happened did I. Stop being a knob! Ask the women involved, or their friends and relatives, and I reckon they'd be saying you're the knob with your warped view of this. I'd like to know what you'd think if they were related to you? Only a bit of robbing and groping by a large group after all. Wouldn't be at all scary or traumatic for them, would it...
Secondly, at the time of posting the link to the police report, it had not been discredited, I was not to know this at the time. How is not accepting all of what the media, or indeed the police report as 'truth' a warped view? I've already said the truth will lie somewhere inbetween. Not a false argument, you've repeatedly acted as though it's no big deal and it very much is. Like I said, imagine if they were your family or friends. Take that comment up with whoever said it, not with me when I've not said anything of the like. As for the police report, it took me all of half a minute to realise it was bulls*** (the fact you've posted something normally means the detector goes off in a couple of seconds), who has a full and accurate report in less than a few hours after the event? And what police force in the world puts out statements that admit they've been next to useless? You don't accept what's widely reported, witnessed and corroborated in multiple countries and their media's, but you blindly believe the ridiculous amount of things and links that you have a tendency to post. You couldn't make it up. Well, very plausibly you have. Where is your source stating that the police report is a fake? The Grauniad, of all rags, is still standing by it - this article has not been edited nor retracted. So. Could you make it up? Where's your source? Moreover, who are you to say if German police (specifically from Cologne) do or don't compile a night report (and/or incident report) "a few hours after the event". In places I've worked, that's fairly standard operational procedure. I've not worked for the Police in Cologne, so I can't establish if indeed this is common practice. How long have you worked there for?
I said it was bulls***. As in it's a PR statement, and it's now quite clearly wrong.
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| Mapletree Croydon 07 Jan 16 9.28pm |
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This from Der Spiegel, relating to the third paragraph of the Police statement: In an initial statement on the morning of Jan. 1, the police press department noted that the situation on the prior evening had been "relaxed." Cologne Police President Wolfgang Albers later admitted that "this initial statement was incorrect."
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 08 Jan 16 8.04am |
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Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 6.06pm
Quote mezzer at 07 Jan 2016 5.31pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 4.38pm
Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 3.45pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 3.35pm
Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 2.48pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 2.13pm
Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 1.55pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 07 Jan 2016 1.39pm
Quote Stuk at 07 Jan 2016 1.26pm
Are the police in any country well known for writing reports that admit they were not up to scratch? Or totally useless, according to the witnesses and victims. And at 08.57 am the day after, do you think they will have known the full extent of events that night? Let alone that it also occurred in other German cities? It takes 20-50 years for victims of abuse to report some events and they're all immediately taken as being credible. Yet you doubt over 90 odd official complaints to the police (including one by a policewoman) within hours of each other.
I didn't really read it, as it's pretty irrelevant, but presume it's just a google translate job? Nick seems to think that him finding that means all the news reports, police complaints and subsequent protests are all just a pack of lies, embellishment or simply media hysteria. Or at least that's the angle I think he's working from, I may be wrong. I'm sure I wrote tghat the truth lies somewhere between what the police and the nedia say,. But as usual, you chose to ignore that which is pretty par for the course for you stuk. As it is, latest I've heard was that the grabbing of arses and tits was a ruse to allow pickpocketing to take place. Happened to one of my dad's mates many years ago. A salt put her hands on his genitals whilst her mate half inched his wallet!
"Seems very different to other reports, surely 1000 men raping people would appear on there somewhere" When you over-exaggerate something so vastly and your, now discredited, police report under-exaggerates, of course the truth will be someone between. I ignored it due to it being nonsense. Move on, nothing happened. Nick has decided so. Your ability to exonerate and be outraged by very similar crimes, depending on who is accused of carrying them out is totally warped. Only a bit of groping and robbing, like that makes it any better... I didn't say nothing happened did I. Stop being a knob! Ask the women involved, or their friends and relatives, and I reckon they'd be saying you're the knob with your warped view of this. I'd like to know what you'd think if they were related to you? Only a bit of robbing and groping by a large group after all. Wouldn't be at all scary or traumatic for them, would it...
Secondly, at the time of posting the link to the police report, it had not been discredited, I was not to know this at the time. How is not accepting all of what the media, or indeed the police report as 'truth' a warped view? I've already said the truth will lie somewhere inbetween.
From what I posted earlier... Seems very different to other reports, surely 1000 men raping people would appear on there somewhere. No doubt the truth lies somewhere inbetween... Edited by nickgusset (07 Jan 2016 8.17pm) I blame the teaching profession for my inability to read, They never explain things very well, then just shout when I put my hand up.
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| johnfirewall 08 Jan 16 10.19am |
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Just read an article containing a quite from a spokesman on behalf of the Libyan cadets who did similar in Cambridge a couple of years ago which basically read 'Sorry they didn't know you couldn't do this sort of thing' Despite being in a slightly right-wing paper it didn't even mention the M word. Neither should we, because it detracts from the regularity of such behaviour within certain cultures. Another such culture, reading recent reports of rising assaults at universities it seems exists among young white males with a sense of entitlement who feel they can just take what they want. Then you have 'grabbing' which is commonplace among Travellers. Hope that adds some perspective and helps certain people come to terms with the fact that there can be a common driving factor even if it is unpalatable to accept that the offenders's behaviour is connected to their class, race or religion. Of course this is anecdotal because there are no supporting statistics. I'd imagine 'grabbing' which is clearly a sexual assault, is never reported as one within a traveller site, so misleadingly the figure for convictions for people of that background could well be 0%. Whether it's sexual offences, homophobic assaults or FGM, 'Christians also do it' isn't a defence and although we're all complicit in politicising crimes, it's really unhelpful but we can't ignore the who and why. Edited by johnfirewall (08 Jan 2016 10.43am)
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I just posted this on the North Korea Nuclear Test thread.... in response to Kermit's taunt about how silly we all looked over-reacting about this matter which had not made the news or police reports.... Radio 4 this morning they had a German spokesperson who admitted there had a been a cover up by the police and the State broadcaster. News had deliberately been suppressed because of the possibility of a right wing backlash. I imagine Merkel didn't want to look stupid either because she championed the strategy to flood Germany with immigrants and this story would not help her career! I'll bet there will be more than one woman that was actually raped once the victims feel comfortable to come forward and report their own suffering... some people are traumatised by these events and take time to react. The lengths authorities will go to trying to suppress the truth about how multiculturalism isn't working and the effects/dangers to the indigenous population of mixing people whose moral standards are far lower than their own without re-educating them first.
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