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View Laboureagle's Profile Laboureagle Flag becknham 03 Feb 16 3.00pm Send a Private Message to Laboureagle Add Laboureagle as a friend

Leaving the EU is a non-starter. If it was that bad wouldn't Germany, France, Italy or Spain be trying to leave?No other country is trying to leave and lots want to join. That tells me its the place to be.

 

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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 03 Feb 16 3.03pm Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

Originally posted by Laboureagle

Leaving the EU is a non-starter. If it was that bad wouldn't Germany, France, Italy or Spain be trying to leave?No other country is trying to leave and lots want to join. That tells me its the place to be.

I think Italy and Spain are doing ok in the EU and Germany get what they always wanted in being in charge of the whole of Europe, although without the death of the Jews.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 Feb 16 3.09pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Michael, are these the same business leaders you and Gusset regularly bash and call 'funds' for not paying tax? Or for their usage of Zero Hour contracts?

Funny how they appear to command your respect when it comes to Europe, yet otherwise they appear to collectively worse than Hitler.

And this is where and who it affects most. Working classes and the less affluent. It makes no difference if you live in leafy Reigate, Banstead, Putney or metro elite London. Either no effect or the best of immigration. And it will continue to hold Labour back too.

I wait to see whether white British people return to shopping in Croydon once it's redeveloped or if they've kept clear for other reasons they wouldn't admit at a dinner party, unless one of Rory Bremner's.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 Feb 16 3.11pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by topcat

I think Italy and Spain are doing ok in the EU and Germany get what they always wanted in being in charge of the whole of Europe, although without the death of the Jews.

Writing off their post war debt and shame in places like Greece and then no relaxing of demands they pay their recent debt off.

 


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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 03 Feb 16 3.43pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

In fairness of compromise, could we include Sunderland and Port Talbot to balance up the deal?

...could we perhaps throw Luton in as a token gesture as well?

Edited by Lyons550 (03 Feb 2016 3.43pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Feb 16 3.44pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Michael, are these the same business leaders you and Gusset regularly bash and call 'funds' for not paying tax? Or for their usage of Zero Hour contracts?

Funny how they appear to command your respect when it comes to Europe, yet otherwise they appear to collectively worse than Hitler.

Respect commanded? I see none in kermit's post.
However, he does ask a salient question. Care to answer?

Edited by nickgusset (03 Feb 2016 3.44pm)

 

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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 03 Feb 16 3.50pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Michael, are these the same business leaders you and Gusset regularly bash and call 'funds' for not paying tax? Or for their usage of Zero Hour contracts?

Funny how they appear to command your respect when it comes to Europe, yet otherwise they appear to collectively worse than Hitler.

Very salient points Matthew in regard to EU membership. Surprised they haven't been picked up by the 'Out' parties.

 


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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 03 Feb 16 4.01pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

For me the biggest issue I have is that I have no clear understanding of the pro's and con's for either staying in or voting out.

Nowhere have I seen a plain, simple to understand list based on fact as to what either decision would mean for the british economy, public at large and myself.

Until that materialises people will simply vote (it at all) on supposition and emotion.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Feb 16 4.30pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

For me the biggest issue I have is that I have no clear understanding of the pro's and con's for either staying in or voting out.

Nowhere have I seen a plain, simple to understand list based on fact as to what either decision would mean for the british economy, public at large and myself.

Until that materialises people will simply vote (it at all) on supposition and emotion.

This.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Feb 16 4.47pm

Great article from PaulMason about how we might all want to get out of the EU because of plans to force Greece into sinking refugee boats.

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David Cameron’s obsession with negotiating a fig-leaf concession on migrant in-work benefits from Europe seems, when set against the scale of the historic challenge, small. Jeremy Corbyn’s trip to Calais did not even ask the roaring questions: what should Germany do; what should the Commission do; what should the UK Border Force do? By reverting to gestures, British politicians are already signalling strategic disengagement with Europe’s migration crisis, which itself is feeding in to the negative popular perception of the EU.

There is a rising concern in British political circles that the next million refugees might tip the UK electorate into voting for Brexit. I suspect that’s too simple. The biggest threat to British consent for EU membership would be if the European Commission tries to force Greece to drown migrants, and then turns it into a quarantined prison camp when it refuses. People would rightly ask in whose name that was being done.

 

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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 03 Feb 16 5.37pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Very salient points Matthew in regard to EU membership. Surprised they haven't been picked up by the 'Out' parties.

So why do 'business leaders' have a 'valid point' in your opinion on EU membership but are complete and utter 'cunds' in regards to most other matters?

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 03 Feb 16 5.40pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Respect commanded? I see none in kermit's post.
However, he does ask a salient question. Care to answer?

Edited by nickgusset (03 Feb 2016 3.44pm)

Michael offers unsubstantiated opinion.

So, do you agree with 'business leaders' or will you, like Corbyn and all the other geriatric revolutaries in the Labour Party, forgo deeply held principle that the EU is the 'bosses Union' and support EU membership because you can paint supporting exit as 'Britain First', 'swivel eyed (copyright Pefwin)' policy which is inherently driven by 'racism'?

 


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