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In England and Wales there is somewhat of an appetite to leave the EU, but this ambition is more than likely to be scuppered by those grievance monkeys north of the border.
In a recent opinion poll for England and Wales, 43% were in favour of leaving and 41% wanted to keep us in the EU. A recent poll in Scotland on the other hand was not so close. 51% wished to remain against 32% for brexit.
This brings up an interesting scenario. If these figures were correct, the remain campaign would probably win by a 1% margine. So basically because of the Scots we'd stay in. Once again we would be held to ransom by them.
This is an affront to democracy. If this happens England and Wales should have an opportunity for a referendum for independence from Scotland and then have another referendum on the EU.
Why should we have to stay in because of them? Their MP's are already able to vote on matters in England and Wales with impunity, but we have no say on what goes on there. This must end, immediately.
Sturgeon is a resentful little turd who despises England and is more than happy to throw a spanner in the works.
I say let Scotland go their own way!

 

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I think that the gap will be bigger come voting day.

I may be wrong but In my opinion The fear of the Unknown will mean that people vote to stay.

 


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er..we are the UK. They can have a say the Scots. They are allowed. You are an affront to democracy, Fed Up Eagle. Go and live in North Korea where you belong.

Edited by Kermit8 (02 May 2016 9.23pm)

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

er..we are the UK. They can have a say the Scots. They are allowed. You are an affront to democracy, Fed Up Eagle. Go and live in North Korea where you belong.

Edited by Kermit8 (02 May 2016 9.23pm)

Before the Scottish Referendum, Alex Salmond, Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP agreed that it would be a 'once in a generation vote'. However, it is quite clear that the SNP is seeking another referendum, under any premise, and that in itself is an affront to democracy.

If the Tories had gone back on their word on something, you would be up in arms about it. Why are you not up in arms about this twisting of the system for the benefit of a few swivel eyed nationalists?

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

er..we are the UK. They can have a say the Scots. They are allowed. You are an affront to democracy, Fed Up Eagle. Go and live in North Korea where you belong.

Edited by Kermit8 (02 May 2016 9.23pm)

Absolute b0ll0cks. Scotland will ultimately leave the UK. If they want to stay in the EU, let them. And what is democratic about Scottish MPs being able to vote on matters in England and Wales whilst we have absolutely no say on matters in Scotland. I think you better go live in North Korea chap.

 

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Originally posted by Kermit8

er..we are the UK. They can have a say the Scots. They are allowed. You are an affront to democracy, Fed Up Eagle. Go and live in North Korea where you belong.

Edited by Kermit8 (02 May 2016 9.23pm)

It's absolutely ridiculous that the people in the England and Wales could be held to ransom by a minority! And all because of raging national sentiment!

On another note, can you imagine what people in Scotland would be like if here in England we had an English national party running the country?
They'd be up in arm and foaming at the mouth about the 'big bad facists' in England! Double standards! Their hypocrisy stinks!

 

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Bit like us voting for their independence. They wouldn't have stood a chance.

 

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Originally posted by johnfirewall

Bit like us voting for their independence. They wouldn't have stood a chance.

Good.

 

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Hoof Hearted 03 May 16 11.51am

Scotland in population terms is about 7% of the overall UK population.

In voting terms probably even less than 7% of the total overall eligible voters in the UK.

The vote will be won or lost in England.

I think apathy will play it's part and as I see it, the leave campaign has more motivated support than the remain campaign has.

I think it will be close, but I'm still confident we will vote to leave because the fear of overcrowding outweighs financial uncertainty in many people's minds.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 May 16 12.04pm

I think its their choice. Ultimately they voted to stay in the UK, and the UK Nationalists were very happy to retain the union. It would seem a bit odd to then be concerned that they're exercising their legal rights to stay in the EU.

Its the right of each person in the UK to vote, however they feel, and we kind of have to abide by that decision.

I don't think a stay vote will stop people who want an exit, anymore than the stay vote would stop the SNP on their participation in the Union - It'll probably mean that it won't be revisited for some time.

 


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The SNP campaigned for independence on the basis that they wanted self governance and democracy for their country.

Not even a hint of contradiction is there

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 May 16 12.29pm

Originally posted by We are goin up!

The SNP campaigned for independence on the basis that they wanted self governance and democracy for their country.

Not even a hint of contradiction is there

Not really, no. The EU isn't 'un-democratic' or opposed to self governance either, although neither is it a paragon example of democracy or independence. My concern is more with its representation of corporate interests over member states but that's not surprising.

I think that's more of a hyperbole argument presented by the Exit campaign to appeal to nationalist motives. the reality is far more complex.

I think an out, is the best option for the country, provided certain actions are undertaken by the UK as a result (that won't happen) and than an in is the best result provided certain actions taken by the UK and MEPs occur (which won't happen).

The reality is that remaining or leaving the EU makes no real difference, its what UK government and MEPs do as a result of being in or leaving the EU.

The UK could vote to leave the EU, and then immediately join the ETA, resulting in pretty much the same situation regards to the Right of Movement etc.

And here in lies the problem, people are fixated on singular issues, which ultimately are linked to idealism. If the UK leaves the EU, it won't change migration, because there are powerful economic factors involved.

So I'm voting out, even though it ultimately won't result in the outcome I want, or any real change because the UK Government doesn't represent citizens either, it also represents the interests of big business and corporations (just like the EU does).

 


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